Fundamentalists and Catholics Whose Bible is it, anyway?

http://www.christlife.org/library/articles/C_understand2.html ^ | Peter Kreeft

[johnb2004]

At times you bow to Jesus, at times you bow to yourselves. Your way leads to moral relativism. The correct way is to follow an absolute Truth.

[RnMomof7]

Please remove the snake-handling, poison drinking beam from your 'reformed' eye, before addressing the relic-obsessed mote from the Catholic eye.

Yep there is the anti protestant heart of the Catholic church on full display. We must all be ignorant, back woods hicks to think that the Bible is the word of God and the popes word is the word of man .

BTW I do not handle snakes,or drink poison..however you eat "flesh" and drink" blood" and even think the practice saves you ..go figure

[ArrogantBustard]

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!! Such pseudo sanctimony from a virulent hater of all things Catholic is ironic beyond belief.

I guess some sayings are too hard for you to take, so you walk away ... Sad, really.

[johnb2004]

anti protestantism is not the issue. anti error is the issue.

[HarleyD]

"These discussions always come down to one fundamental issue. The issue is authority. Who decides what is revealed Truth...do we submit ourselves to Christ through the Church He founded?"

I would agree the issue between fundamentalists and Catholics comes down the view of authority. It becomes murkier what constitutes "the Church".

I do like the following comments by him:

”Even though many fundamentalists think the Catholic Church is under the control of Satan and all or most Catholics are headed for hell, not all think that - and we shouldn't think the same of them.”

Why thank you-I think. :O)

”We must neither mirror their closed-mindedness nor become so open-minded that our brains spill out.”

There’s nothing worst than having a bunch of Catholic brains all over the floor. :O)

[aimhigh]

However, we don't even have the original autographs of any of the books of the Bible, so we're not absolutely sure what the exact words were.

Leave it to the Catholics to cast doubt on scripture. I've heard the above words out of atheists.

[NYer]

Leave it to the Catholics to cast doubt on scripture. I've heard the above words out of atheists.

A study of early Christian history shows that there was a considerable disagreement among Christians until the issue of the canon was finally settled. Some early Christians said the book of Revelation didn’t belong in the canon. Others said Pope Clement’s Letter to the Corinthians (written circa A.D. 80) and The Shepherd, an early second-century allegory written by a Christian writer named Hermas did belong in the New Testament. How do you handle that?"

"We know by examining the contents of the books. Some books—like 1 Corinthians and Revelation—obviously belong. Others—like Clement’s Letter to the Corinthians—obviously don’t."

"But is it really so obvious? Tell me, what is so obvious in Philemon to indicate that it is inspired? And what is so obviously unorthodox in The Shepherd or the Didache or Clement’s letter or any of the other first- and second-century Christian writings? You’ve never even seen the autographs (originals) of the 27 books in the New Testament. Nobody today has. The earliest copies of those books we possess are centuries newer than the originals. Like it or not, you have to take the say-so of the Catholic Church that in fact those copies are accurate, as well as her decision that those 27 books are the inspired canonical New Testament Scriptures. You do accept her testimony as trustworthy, or else your Protestant Bible would not have those 27 books.

[chance33_98]

Bump for reading later today and thanks for posting.

[johnb2004]

It becomes murkier what constitutes "the Church".

Nothing murky about it. Christ left a visible Church with marks to identify it. It comes down to accepting His church or rejecting it.

[johnb2004]

It becomes murkier what constitutes "the Church".

Nothing murky about it. Christ left a visible Church with marks to identify it. It comes down to accepting His church or rejecting it.

[RnMomof7]

anti protestantism is not the issue. anti error is the issue.

Of course it is. Trent remains as a testimony to that.

The difference John is you believe in the doctrine of men. We ask..Where is that written in the word of God?

God does not change , so there can be no private revelation that contradicts scripture.

[RnMomof7]

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!! Such pseudo sanctimony from a virulent hater of all things Catholic is ironic beyond belief.

I would remind you that you opened the discussion with

Please remove the snake-handling, poison drinking beam from your 'reformed' eye, before addressing the relic-obsessed mote from the Catholic eye.

[ArrogantBustard]

Read Post Number 13, and Post Number 4.

Then apologise.

[NYer]

We ask..Where is that written in the word of God? God does not change , so there can be no private revelation that contradicts scripture.

Okay, prove from the Bible that the Bible is the only rule of faith.

[johnb2004]

Sola Scriptura is an error. As I have pointed previously, if you set yourself up as an infallible interpreter than you become a relativist. Christ left a living authority who is guided by the Holy Spirit to speak infallibly on faith and morals.

The Church has never changed Her teachings. Protestants have changed teachings, continue to change and will always have some degree of error, not the fullness of Truth.

[HarleyD]

If I'm not mistaken Catholics believe Peter established their church. Yet we know from I Corinthians 1:12-13, Paul addresses this issue, "Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, 'I am of Paul,' and 'I of Apollos,' and 'I of Cephas,' and 'I of Christ.' Has Christ been divided?..." We see from this passage different "denominations" were already beginning to spread. Notice that Cephas (Peter) was just one of them.

[Barnacle]

you eat "flesh" and drink" blood" and even think the practice saves you ..go figure

John 6: 48 “I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."

[RnMomof7]

The Books that were placed in the NT canon are those selected under the guidance of the Holy Spirit .

It is sheer hubris to imply that the men of the early church selected them ..so we should feel indebted to them as if they were the authors.

We trust God that He can even use an ass to accomplish His will.

The Catholic church did preserve it ..but they also kept it from the people, so much so that even today the majority of Catholics have never read it for themselves.

[Barnacle]

If I'm not mistaken Catholics believe Peter established their church.

Peter didn't establish the Church, Jesus did.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.