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I hate to say it, but one must ask, "Where is Rome in the face of corruption of this magnitude?"

That's the forbidden question. You aren't allowed to ask that. We need to stay on message: "John Paul II The Great," destined for instant beatification, despite a few upsetting details like the collapse of the institutional church and unthinkable corruption of the clergy that occurred on his watch.

"That's the forbidden question."

Right you are.When I ask that I am usually told that the Catholic Church is so big one can't expect Rome to know what is happening in every diocese. It does strike one as peculiar that 40 years of dissent can't be dealt with. Then again, I am often told Rome wants to avoid schism.

Well,to me, an average Catholic who believes in obedience and redemptive suffering I find it strange that Rome allows so much error to be spread.

If anyone in any of these dioceses tried to say a Latin mass without permission the swiss guard would be sent in...

I fear Rome has given up on the U.S. as our bishops have been so disobedient.

If you were the boss, would you help your lower management if they thwarted your every order? Or would you let them crash and burn and then pick up the pieces.

I agree with this assessment completely, as it has been my own for several years. Furthermore, its myopic to judge the entire Church based on the abberrations of the West, which represents only a fraction of Catholics worldwide.

despite a few upsetting details like the collapse of the institutional church and unthinkable corruption of the clergy that occurred on his watch.

They occurred long before his watch. The beginning of the turning of the tide against this is occurring as a capstone at the ending of his pontificate.

No matter how much it pains traditionalists, history will see JPII as the Pope that began the turnaround from the destruction that started in the mid 20th century. They will see his approach as the only one available at his time in history.

Doesn't mean I like living through it, or that I don't question it at times as I did above.