[dsc]

"Homosexuals are not disordered. They are out of order - read "sin" They need to repent (as in metanoia = "change of mind")."

Beg to differ. Same-sex attraction disorder is very real. It is not so simple a matter as changing one's mind, as if one were deciding to buy a Ford next time instead of a Chevy.

Genuine, long-term faith-based therapy is generally needed, and even that is not 100% successful.

[Tantumergo]

"Same-sex attraction disorder is very real. It is not so simple a matter as changing one's mind, as if one were deciding to buy a Ford next time instead of a Chevy."

That is true for those who have SSAD, which if you have been following the informed wisdom of Cardinal Joos is only 5-10% of them. The rest are just PERVERTS!!!!

Not subtle - but probably tue!

;)

[LiteKeeper]

Genuine, long-term faith-based therapy is generally needed, and even that is not 100% successful.

Where is the emperical data for your assertion? I agree, it is not a choice someone makes one day...but it is not a mental disorder, either. It is a sinful style of life, and homosexual people need to be confronted with that reality. As long as it is called a "mental disorder," or something that is "genetic," there will be no reversal of lifestyle. Yes, it will take time, but the journey of a 1000 miles begins with the first step.