The Humanity of John Calvin

1999 | Gregory Edward Reynolds

[drstevej]

Michael Servetus acknowledges he was wrong!

30th January 2004, 11:12 PM

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michael servetus

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Dude, I was wrong!

  

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[connectthedots]

Having a problem staying on the topic of the thread?

[drstevej]

CTD: Do not post to me or ping me.

RM, please pull CTD's post to me and this post. Thanks.

[connectthedots]

Calvin could have prevented the murder of Servetus by not conspiring to conduct a fraudulent trial. The council was a rubber stamp for Calvin so as to give an 'air of legitimacy' to Calvin's tyranny. What Calvin may or may not have said publicly has no bearing on what went on behind the scenes.

[connectthedots]

If you are going to pull any post, #41 should be at the top of the list

[P-Marlowe]

It is one thing to study and disagree with a person's theology. It is quite another to try to tear apart the character of a godly man.

And it is highly presumptuous for the author of the above article to presume that people ought to refer to the man Calvin as the "Most Christian Man of his age." I am certain that honor is reserved for someone none of us have ever heard of. Someone who could not afford a gravestone, much less a boatload of statutes and monuments. Someone who received no renumerance for his love of Christ other than the storing up of treasures in heaven.

Calvin may have been a great man. But the greatest among us shall be the least and the least shall be the greatest. We have that promise from God. Thus I am fairly certain that the greatest Christian of the 16th Century is someone whose name was forgotten from history before it was ever known. If stating that Calvin was not the most Christian man of his age is tearing apart the character of a godly man, then I am guilty. But for those who claim he was, then you must refute the evidence of his failings and the burden of proof that he was the most Christian man of his age belongs to you.

So, prove it.

[restornu]

whoever!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Fascinating times we live in when a Roman Catholic knows more about and has more respect for the major architect of the Protestant Reformation than do the poseurs who followed him.

[PFKEY]

They are, IMO, monuments to human acheivement.

I agree with your opinion.

I love to visit cathedrals for their beauty but I would never be able to attend a worship service in one of them.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I'm flabbergasted some people cannot objectively study history.

Yes, it's truly amazing to contemplate what the real agenda might be of those who profess to be Protestant Christians, yet who seek to destroy the father of the Reformation and all that he stood for.

All their posts on this thread are vindictive, sarcastic and arrogant.

Seems counter-productive, Counter Reformation-wise. And certainly not in tune with "the new mood" of the Religion Forum.

[Corin Stormhands]

But the fact that they were built did provide many people with job opportunities that they might not otherwise have had. But my hat is off to the people who built them and designed them rather than the people who ordered them built.

It's much the same in Israel. These huge cathedrals are built over what are supposed to be the holy places. They're cold, they're overbuilt and they're gaudy.

But without them, those areas would likely have been developed for homes or business etc. and we would have lost a lot of that history.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The article said Calvin "was the most Christian Man of his age," Marlowe, not "Man/God."

Old habits die hard.

Calvin may have been a great man. But...

I'm glad you concede this at least.

But...

[P-Marlowe]

I'm not so sure that any of the supposed holy places where the cathedrals have been built are actually on the holy places they purport to be on. I am pretty certain that the Church of the Nativity was not built anywhere near where Jesus was actually born.

I think that we will find out someday that the holiest place in all of Israel was where the first Starbucks was built.

Speaking of Starbucks, here's some food for thought. The bible says that God placed two Cherubim to guard the entrance to the Garden of Eden so that no one could enter and eat of the tree of life. Do you think that they are still there and the Garden of Eden is still here on earth and no one can get to it because of the Angels?

How's that for changing the subject?

[P-Marlowe]

The article said Calvin "was the most Christian Man of his age," Marlowe, not "Man/God."

What do you mean by that?

Old habits die hard.

What do you mean by that?

I'm glad you concede this at least.

No doubt about it. Calvin was a great man. So was Albert Einstein. So was Audey Murphy.

[P-Marlowe]

...the father of the Reformation...

Was Jesus.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Audey Murphy.

It's "Audie Murphy."

[Corin Stormhands]

yet who seek to destroy the father of the Reformation

Are you calling Calvin the "father of the Reformation?"

Granted I came to the thread late and will all the pulled posts they'll find the WMDs before I'll figure out what the heck happened here.

But seriesly, wouldn't that title go to Luther? Did I miss that reference up the line on this thread?

[Corin Stormhands]

Oh wait...I may have answered my own question...

My kingdom for an "edit" button.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Starbucks...How's that for changing the subject?

You're doing great, Marlowe. A 10 on a 10-scale for ignoring and demeaning the thread, one more time, and instead trying to divert it into contention and ridicule.

Your pride gives you away.

[Corin Stormhands]

You are overreacting Dr. E.

That post was to me and to no one else. And it was in direct response to my post to Marlowe. We've all posted off topic remarks on threads.

Happens all the time.