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To: Corin Stormhands
Finally, Pelagius asserted a grace of pardon or remission of sin which God grants to those who freely repent. Contrary to the charge that Pelagius denied the need for the grace of God, he asserts that without such grace men cannot be forgiven.

This line is what proves that Pelagius was, at worst, a semi-Pelagian.

If Augustine accurately reports Coelestius, then it was Coelestius who was the bugabear. We should go around calling people "coelestians."

I wonder why we don't?

3 posted on 02/11/2004 7:56:39 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of it!!)
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To: xzins
political subterfuge and, at times, outright bribery.
4 posted on 02/11/2004 8:01:23 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (What's the buzz? Tell me what's happening...)
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To: xzins
It's too hard to pronounce. And difficult to spell.

BTW if Pelagius was merely a semi-Pelagian, and we think Pelagius went too far, then that must make us.... Orthodox.

So those who oppose us (from either side) must be .... Un-Orthodox. :-)

5 posted on 02/11/2004 8:04:08 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG)
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To: xzins
Pelagianism

The theological doctrine propounded by Pelagius, a British monk, and condemned as heresy by the Roman Catholic Church in A.D. 416. It denied original sin and affirmed the ability of human beings to be righteous by the exercise of free will.

Pelagianism, in Christian theology, is a heretical doctrine concerning grace and morals, which emphasizes human free will as the decisive element in human perfectibility and minimizes or denies the need for divine grace and redemption. The doctrine was formulated by Romano-British monk Pelagius. About 390 he went to Rome, where, appalled by the lax morals of Roman Christians, he preached Christian asceticism and recruited many followers.

Pelagius denied the existence of original sin and the need for infant baptism. He argued that the corruption of the human race is not inborn, but that humans can merit heaven by leading righteous lives. For Pelagius, faith and dogma hardly matter because the essence of religion is moral action. Starting in 412, Christian theologian Saint Augustine attacked the Pelagian doctrine of human moral autonomy. As a result of Augustine's criticisms, Pelagius was eventually condemned for heresy.

It would seem to me that his contemporaries understood well what he was teaching, and it was THEY that declared it a heresy . it sure was not only Calvinists that rejected it

Here it is for one more round via the Wesleyans ...go for it

12 posted on 02/12/2004 11:23:29 AM PST by RnMomof7
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