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To: Campion
Transubstantiation does not make Christ's humanity omnipresent (present everywhere) but merely multipresent or multilocal (present in several places at once). That's not the same thing.

Six of one, half-dozen of the other. The issue isn't between whether he's omnipresent or multipresent, but rather that neither is a characteristic or ability of non-deistic beings. There is no record of the multipresence of angels, nor is there record of multipresent humans. The understanding of Christ's ability to pass through walls and doors is speculative and not explicitly stated in the text.

41 posted on 02/17/2004 11:51:48 AM PST by Frumanchu (I for one fear the sanctions of the Mediator far above the sanctions of the moderator)
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To: Frumanchu
The issue isn't between whether he's omnipresent or multipresent, but rather that neither is a characteristic or ability of non-deistic beings.

Well, no, that's a conclusion that you want to make, but nothing supports it. Clearly, God is omnipresent. Multilocality is a lesser ability than omnipresence, so it's something that could belong to a lesser order of existence than divinity.

There is no record of the multipresence of angels, nor is there record of multipresent humans.

As I pointed out, there is such a record.

The understanding of Christ's ability to pass through walls and doors is speculative and not explicitly stated in the text.

John 20:19 and 20:26 make it crystal clear that Jesus was able to come into the midst of the disciples without doors being opened. There's nothing "speculative" about it.

42 posted on 02/17/2004 12:02:09 PM PST by Campion
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To: Frumanchu
The understanding of Christ's ability to pass through walls and doors is speculative and not explicitly stated in the text.

Now when it was late the same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them: Peace be to you.

47 posted on 02/19/2004 4:25:46 AM PST by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: Frumanchu
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50 posted on 02/19/2004 4:39:01 AM PST by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: Frumanchu

Why speak of angels or “non-deistic beings.” If Christ is the God-man, then he is like no other. He is God and he is man. As for “sitting on a throne,” or “at the right-hand-of-the Father,” these are images that suggest the relationship between Father and Son. Even these names are misleading because they stipulate biological relationships and their actual relationship is certainly not biological .


62 posted on 05/06/2007 9:14:38 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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