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Covenant Theology: The Church (Part 1)
Westminster Presbyterian Church ^
| Dr. James E. Bordwine
Posted on 02/20/2004 11:51:02 AM PST by sheltonmac
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posted on
02/20/2004 11:51:29 AM PST
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sheltonmac
("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
To: sheltonmac; Elsie; drstevej; CCWoody; RnMomof7
Jesus continues speaking and uses the confession just uttered by Peter to explain that the truth contained in that confession would serve as the theological and spiritual foundation for an institution that He intended to bring into being. Addressing Peter again, Jesus says: You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church... (v. 18) In the Greek, this phrase reads: You are Petros (Rock) and upon this petra (rocky ledge or bedrock) I will build My church...
Much has been written about this statement; some have insisted that Jesus is bestowing upon Peter a unique status among the others. There's no denying that Peter was an important figure in the early Church, but there is no evidence that he was viewed as one having a unique authority among the other apostles. Peter and the other apostles were not the foundation of the Church, as we will show clearly in a few minutes; but their teaching was the foundation for the Church. This is what Jesus means.
The correct interpretation of this statement begins with a recognition that Jesus is using a play on words to draw the connection between Peter's recent confession and the nature of the Church that soon would be formed. The truth represented in Peter's confession of Jesus as the Christ, the Son of the living God, would serve as the solid doctrinal foundation upon which Jesus would erect a spiritual house. That spiritual house, consisting of the redeemed, would bear the characteristics of the foundation. In other words, Jesus Himself, His teaching and what is taught about Him, would determine the nature of the Church; only those who embraced the truth represented in Peter's confession would be or could be part of Christ's institution.
Hope you brought your flameproof clothing for when our Roman Catholc associates see this posting.
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posted on
02/20/2004 12:03:18 PM PST
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Calvinist_Dark_Lord
(I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
To: sheltonmac
The doctrine of the Church is related to such important issues as the worship of God, the administration and meaning of the sacraments, salvation, sanctification, evangelism, marriage, family life, vocation, politics, economics and sociology. Meanwhile, the doctrine of "Render unto Ceasar" is related to secular issues such as the administration of law (marriage and family life included), politics, economics and sociology -- secular matters that religion makes a business of and interferes with; but has no business being in.
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posted on
02/20/2004 12:28:31 PM PST
by
thinktwice
(The human mind is blessed with reason, and to waste that blessed mind is treason.)
To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Is it time for me to post my ZILLION other 'rock' verses, mainly from the OT, add a bit of LIGHT to any 'heat' that may follow?
"No other rock" just about says it all...........
Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."
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posted on
02/20/2004 2:41:54 PM PST
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Elsie
(When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Elsie
but their teaching was the foundation for the Church. This is what Jesus means.And it was no accident that Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount, just as Moses presided at Sinai
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posted on
02/20/2004 2:54:02 PM PST
by
Markofhumanfeet
(That's okay. The scariest movie that I ever saw was The Silence of the Lambs)
To: Elsie
Is it time for me to post my ZILLION other 'rock' verses, mainly from the OT, add a bit of LIGHT to any 'heat' that may follow? Um, Not quite yet Elsie, this here is what we call "forward deployment", which means have the required combat power up front and ready to go.
None the less, you might want to dust off that old post, looks as if it may be needed again.
This matter isn't really a Calvinism/Arminianism sort of thing anyway, so there is no controversy on that front.
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posted on
02/20/2004 3:25:34 PM PST
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Calvinist_Dark_Lord
(I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
What!?
No C vs A in this thread???
Well, PHOOEY!
"As iron sharpeneth iron...."
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posted on
02/21/2004 8:14:26 AM PST
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Elsie
(When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
None the less, you might want to dust off that old post, looks as if it may be needed again.I'm doing this on my laptop; my desk computer has given me the blue screen of death this morning.
(Yes, that's where all my goodies are stored!!)
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posted on
02/21/2004 8:16:21 AM PST
by
Elsie
(When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
To: Elsie
This operation has committed an illegal action and will with extreme prejudice make your life an impossible hell while putting all of your private documents on the world wide web.one word Elsie,
LINUX!
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posted on
02/21/2004 10:35:22 AM PST
by
Calvinist_Dark_Lord
(I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Enough of your nonsence and empty threats. If you have no reply to Isaiah 44:8. Drop it!!!
To: thinktwice
Your absolutly right. That why we should have a seperation of church and state.
To: Warlord David; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Elsie
How is a suggestion to change platforms equating to an attack?
To: CARepubGal
I don't run on Linux!!!!! That threating enough!
To: CARepubGal; Elsie; sheltonmac
How is a suggestion to change platforms equating to an attack?It's simple, CARepubGal and i are CALVINISTS (shudder), anything we post is construed as an attack. Never minde that i'm the one who pingged Elsie to this thread to present the posting that i'm being taken to task over.
i guess that people really need to actually READ THE THREAD before they make @$$e$ of themselves, or perhaps learn to read and write English!
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posted on
02/21/2004 3:19:35 PM PST
by
Calvinist_Dark_Lord
(I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Have you heard. I killed all calvinist arguments. And i do not shudder.
Example: Chinese Pastor Discuss Revival, by wiclif; read the threads.
There are others, this is my latest.
To: Warlord David
Oh. That would be scary to come home to a Penguin on the telly! (I always wanted to say that thanks to Monty Python) :-)
To: Warlord David
Take your best shot. Calvinism and Calvinists were here before you were, and will be here after you're gone. Before you worry about Calvinism, perhaps a course in remedial English Grammar might be of more benefit.
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posted on
02/21/2004 8:34:23 PM PST
by
Calvinist_Dark_Lord
(I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
To: Warlord David; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; CCWoody; Frumanchu
Warlord David, you are the "Windows Me" of Calvinist opponents.
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posted on
02/21/2004 8:38:06 PM PST
by
drstevej
To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
If you're gonna suggest linux to a newby, may I suggest an easier distro? My school put out UBLinux for "students, faculty, and staff who want to install a secure version of Linux but may not have the expertise to do so. UBLinux includes most, if not all, of the software needed for academic work."
It's the distros they run on the Unix machines I sometimes use in the labs.
You should be able to download it here: http://www.cit.buffalo.edu/linux/ublinux.html
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posted on
02/21/2004 8:55:11 PM PST
by
jude24
(Would You like to Know God Personally? - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~tjminter/4laws/4laws.ppt)
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