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A Cry From The Cardinal’s Cousin (Cardinal Pell)
The Wanderer | March 11, 2004 | John Young

Posted on 03/12/2004 2:43:59 PM PST by NYer

“He seems to be locked into some legalistic doctrine focused on lifestyle, and I think that’s sad.” This comment was made by Monica Hingston, a former nun living in a lesbian relationship with another former nun, and directed against George Cardinal Pell, archbishop of Sydney (Australia), because he supports Catholic (and natural law) teaching on homosexuality.

The two women are pictured on the front page of The Sydney Morning Herald of January 12, 2004 under the caption: “Cry From the Heart by a Cardinal’s Cousin.” Miss Hingston, a distant cousin of the cardinal, published an open letter to him in the same issue; and her comments reveal a lot about the mindset of those who attempt to defend the homosexual lifestyle. The glaring omissiion is the failure to face the nature of homosexual acts.

She speaks of the many years of service to the poor and marginalized given by herself and her partner in the past, when they were nuns - before their relatioinship. (This is irrelevant to the question of whether the homosexual life is good or bad, but Hingston wants to project the image of two people who care for others.)

She says a lot about the “loving relationship” of herself and her partner, and how, for 19 years, it has been “a partnership of sensitivity and selflessness, of warmth and humor, of wonder and beauty. It is fundamental to personal growth.” (the truth that the relationship involves unnatural acts is ignored.)

Hingston is “appalled and angered” by the Vatican declaring “us to be ‘seriously depraved persons’.” She refuses to recognize that the Vatican speaks of acts that are depraved, without passing judgment on te subjective state of the persons who perform those actions. She says to the cardinal: “And surely you wouldn’t insult my intelligence by prefacing it [adherence to the Vatican statement] with ‘it’s the sin, not the sinner’ stuff.”

What she is doing here is dismissing the essential point - namely, that the homosexual lifestyle is depraved. She should face it ans respond: offering reasons, if she can, for her contention that it is not a depraved way of living. The distinction between the sin and the sinner is a matter of common sense, whether in this matter or other moral questions; but Hingston forestalls its use here by claiming it would insult her intellignence!

In the same vein, she says that “the Vatican is wholly focused on what we do in bed.” Instead, she maintains, the Vatican should note the love and support and beauty found in such relationships. Here again, the vital question is dodged: Is the relationship intrinsically wrong?

“Please don’t quote the scriptures at me - as we both know, ‘the devil’ can quote it [sic] for his own evil purposes.” (Note the lower cases and the quotation marks.) Hingston is here refusing to look at clear passages of Scripture condemning homosexual conduct, with the excuse that Scripture can be misused. There’s no ambiguity about St. Paul’s teaching in romans, chapter 1. “Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error” (26-27).

“The Vatican prelates,” she declares, “have the audacity to condemn the rearing of children by homosexual couples.” Here, too, the first question must be: Are these couples living in an unnatural way? If their lifestyle is profoundly perverted, it can’t be right for them to raise children. It is an injustice to the children and a form of child abuse.

The reality is that man and woman are made for each other - physically, emotionally, mentally, spirityally. This is obvious, and is seen by most people. Same-sex attraction, therefore, is a contradiction of the natural order; and because marital love of a man and a woman is such a good thing, it follows that the contradiction of it in homosexual relationships is correspondingly bad. Evil is privation of good, so the greater the good, the worse the evil.

Homosexual relations are a parody of marriage with profound effects on those engaging in them. Just as the personal growth of a married couple is fostered by a good marriage, a warping of the personality results from homosexual relations.

Those involved in such relationships will find it hard to acknowledge the objective depravity of what they are doing. They find pleasure in their lifestyle, which easily prompts the delusion that it must be all right. And as time passes, they become more accustomed to that way of living, and more readily deceive themselves with the contention that it is normal.

However, the natural moral law can never be extinguished in a person; it is written in our hearts, as St. Paul points ou (Romans 2:15). It may become obscured; it may be denied; but it is never killed. So, a struggle goes on within the person who lives in a radically unnatural way, a struggle to repress the truth.

It becomes imperative, in the thinking of practicing homosexuals, to convince others that this lifestyle is normal and crush any opposition. But this can’t be done by rational argument, for it is an irrational position. It remains then, to avoid the real issues and appeal to emotion. Monica Hingston does it by talking about sensitivity and beauty and warmth. It can also be done by depicting the homosexual as unfairly discriminated against - as a member of a persecuted minority.

The urge to justify the unjustifiable is a major driving force in the promotion of homosexuality. It is an urge caused by the deep depravity of homosexual activity, a depravity that must be denied if the person is to retain some kind of fragile peace with himself or herself. The state of mind is manifested by irrationality and intolerance of opposition. It can’t stand people like Cardinal Pell who tell the truth.

By contrast, people trying to overcome homosexual tendedencies welcome the truth. A member of a religious order who works with homosexually inclined men trying to live a chaste life, told me that these men were pleased when Pell became archbishop of Sydney, because of the support and encouragement his stand on this issue gave them.


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: homosexual; homosexualagenda; prisoners; samesexmarraige; samesexmarriage

Monica Hingston, front, and her partner Peg Moran, at home.

Original story ...

Pell cousin takes issue on gay stance

1 posted on 03/12/2004 2:43:59 PM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ..
There is no link to this story; I transcribed it from this week's edition of The Wanderer. It is, by far, one of the best articles that I have ever read on the un natural aspect of homosexuality, and why we need to fight to preserve the sanctity of marriage for a 'man and a woman'.
2 posted on 03/12/2004 2:48:29 PM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: NYer
Wow, a lot of typing for you.
3 posted on 03/12/2004 2:50:18 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: NYer
Evidently the Queer Promotion Year materials have just arrived on the desks of editors Down Under.
4 posted on 03/12/2004 2:50:42 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: little jeremiah; EdReform
Homosexual relations are a parody of marriage with profound effects on those engaging in them. Just as the personal growth of a married couple is fostered by a good marriage, a warping of the personality results from homosexual relations.

An excellent insight into the homosexual mindset and why they desperately seek to 'normalize' their 'unnatural' relationships.

5 posted on 03/12/2004 2:53:15 PM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: NYer
Thanks for typing this in. I really need to get a subscription to The Wanderer.
6 posted on 03/12/2004 2:54:51 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: NYer; little jeremiah
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7 posted on 03/12/2004 2:57:11 PM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: ninenot; NYer
Evidently the Queer Promotion Year materials have just arrived on the desks of editors Down Under.

How much farther can they "push the envelope"?  Is Queer Month, to be celebrated annually, in the works?  

It is certainly is clear that the 21st century isn't starting out on the right foot.  It makes me wonder what the future holds in the face of pervasive and flagrant immorality.

Is there anything that you can think of that I should consider regarding whether or not Sodom and Gomorrah is a one-time event?


View east along the southern wall of the destroyed city of Sodom (Bab edh-Dhra) southeast of the Dead Sea in modern Jordan. © All rights reserved.

8 posted on 03/12/2004 3:20:11 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: GirlShortstop
Where's the pillar of salt in that picture? ;-D
9 posted on 03/12/2004 3:26:14 PM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: NYer; GrandMoM; scripter
An excerpt from Culture of Vice:

"The homosexual cause has moved naturally from a plea for tolerance to cultural conquest. As Robert Reilly notes a society can withstand any number of person who try to advance their own moral disorders as public policy. But it cannot survive once it adopts the justifications for whose moral disorders as its own. This is what is at stake in the culture war...

For any individual, moral failure is hard to live with because of the rebuke of conscience. Habitual moral failure, what used to be called vice, can be lived with only by obliterating conscience through rationalization. When we rationalize, we convince ourselves that heretofore forbidden desires are permissible. We advance the reality of the desires over the reality of the moral order to which the desires should be subordinated. In our minds we replace the reality of moral order with something more congenial to the activity we are excusing. In short, we assert that bad is good...

It is often difficult to detect rationalizations when one is living directly under their influence, and so historical examples are useful. One of the clearest was offered at the Nuremberg trials by Dr. Karl Brandt, who had been in charge of the Nazi regime's Aktion T-4 euthanasia program. He said in his defense: “...when I said `yes' to euthanasia I did so with the deepest conviction, just as it is my conviction today, that it was right. Death can mean deliverance. Death is life.”

Unlike Dr. Brandt, most people recover from their rationalizations when remorse and reality set back in. But when morally disordered acts become the defining centerpiece of one's life, vice can permanently pervert reason. Entrenched moral aberrations then impel people to rationalize vice not only to themselves but to others as well. Thus rationalizations become an engine for revolutionary change that will affect society as a whole.

The power of rationalization drives the culture war, gives it its particular revolutionary character, and makes its advocates indefatigable. It may draw its energy from desperation, but it is all the more powerful for that. Since failed rationalization means self-recrimination, it must be avoided at all cost. For this reason, the differences over which the culture war is being fought are not subject to reasoned discourse. Persons protecting themselves by rationalizing are interested not in finding the truth, but in maintaining the illusion that allows them to continue their behavior. For them to succeed in this, everyone must accede to their rationalization. This is why revolutionary change is required. The necessity for self-justification requires the complicity of the whole culture. Holdouts cannot be tolerated because they are potential rebukes. The self-hatred, anger, and guilt that a person possessed of a functioning conscience would normally feel from doing wrong are redirected by the rationalization and projected upon society as a whole (if the society is healthy), or upon those in society who do not accept the rationalization.

The homosexual movement's rationalization is far more widely advanced in its claims. According to Jeffrey Levi, former executive director for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, “We (homosexuals)_ are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a right to protection from wrong. We have a right - as heterosexuals have already - to see government and society affirm our lives.” Since only the act of sodomy differentiates an active homosexual from a heterosexual, homosexuals want “government and society” to affirm that sodomy is morally equivalent to the marital act. “Coming out of the closet” can only mean an assent on the level of moral principle to what would otherwise be considered morally disordered.

And so it must be. If you are going to center your public life on the private act of sodomy, you had better transform sodomy into a highly moral act. If sodomy is a moral disorder, it cannot be legitimately advanced on the legal or civil level. On the other hand, if it is a highly moral act, it should serve as the basis for marriage, family (adoption), and community. As a moral act, sodomy should be normative. If it is normative, it should be taught in our schools as a standard. In fact, homosexuality should be hieratic: active homosexuals should be ordained as priests. All of this is happening. It was predictable. The homosexual cause moved naturally from a plea for tolerance to cultural conquest. How successful that conquest has been can be seen in the poverty of the rhetoric of its opponents. In supporting the Defense of Marriage Act, the best one congressman could do was to say, “America is not yet ready for homosexual marriage,” as if we simply need a decent interval to adjust ourselves to its inevitable arrival.

The homosexual rationalization is so successful that even the campaign against AIDS is part of it, with its message that “everyone is at risk.” If everyone is at risk, the disease cannot be related to specific behavior. Yet homosexual acts are the single greatest risk factor in catching AIDS. This unpleasant fact invites unwelcome attention to the nature of homosexual acts, so it must be ignored."


10 posted on 03/12/2004 3:32:40 PM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: NYer
Where's the pillar of salt in that picture? ;-D

LOL... it's white, doesn't it (the person formally known as Lots' wife) show up on your pc?  ;-p
11 posted on 03/12/2004 3:38:33 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: EdReform
An excerpt from Culture of Vice:

Wow.  That article provides crucial elements needed for a thoughtful and comprehensive assessment of the "situation".  Thank you for posting it.
12 posted on 03/12/2004 3:47:43 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: EdReform
Great excerpt from Culture of Vice. WHOA. Sounds like a good book.
13 posted on 03/12/2004 5:32:51 PM PST by bboop
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To: GirlShortstop
High five to you!
14 posted on 03/12/2004 6:11:11 PM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: NYer
"I transcribed it from this week's edition of The Wanderer."

Thank you. That's a real public service, and must have been a lot of work.

I hope I can put this without creating the wrong impression...scanners with bundled OCR software are down under a hundred dollars now. They reduce the work involved in something like that by about 90%.

I mention that only out of a wish to be helpful.

15 posted on 03/12/2004 6:14:11 PM PST by dsc
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To: NYer
*****“The Vatican prelates,” she declares, “have the audacity to condemn the rearing of children by homosexual couples"******

I can just picture a baby girl being adopted and brought up by these two. At 7, 8 or 10 years old the girl sees these two sitting in front of a fireplace, snuggling.

One of them comes home from work and the other meets her at the door with a hug and a kiss.

And other things heterosexuals do.

What does this 7 or 8 or 10 year old say to her classmates when there is a Q & A about "What your father does for a livng?"

She gets up and says "She works at"

Wow!What a future for these kids. We have dis-function now. Just wait.

They live in a world of lies.
16 posted on 03/12/2004 6:25:38 PM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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To: EdReform
Yet homosexual acts are the single greatest risk factor in catching AIDS. This unpleasant fact invites unwelcome attention to the nature of homosexual acts, so it must be ignored." ....it shouldn't be!!!!!!!!!!!
17 posted on 03/12/2004 8:03:40 PM PST by GrandMoM (how could I not have hope in JESUS....MY WOUNDS WERE HEALED BY HIS WOUNDS-Mel Gibson)
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To: franky
What does this 7 or 8 or 10 year old say to her classmates when there is a Q & A about "What your father does for a livng?"

I am afraid that many, many, children in Australia could not answer that question - not only those being parented by "gays" - but also the very much larger number of single mothers. Many of these are in most unstable lifestyles, the degree of neglect and abuse suffered by those children - it is immense.

18 posted on 03/13/2004 3:16:40 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: little jeremiah
Ping
19 posted on 03/13/2004 6:06:57 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping - at least those two aren't pretending to be nuns any more.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

In order to promote or provide a foundation for homosexuality, FIRST moral absolutes must be destroyed, with each self as the sole arbiter of right and wrong.

A glaring example of how moral relativists are lying hypocrites (the no-moral-absolute platform is by its very nature hyprocricy) - because they say WE are wrong. If nothing is wrong, why are WE WRONG?

They are psychotic liars, no matter how civilized they appear on the surface, with suits, ties, jobs, modulated voices, clean cars, bank accounts, or university positions.
20 posted on 03/13/2004 8:42:15 AM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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