[PetroniusMaximus]

***My friend, forget about all the other faiths and their belief systems for the time being. Just focus on your own... rush to unfounded assertions in order to contend for his faith.***


??? I'm not following you???




***None of the translations of 2 Timothy 3:16 that I am aware of uses the word "sufficient... And yet, for some reason which is beyond me, you keep reading "sufficient" in your Bible. Why is that I wonder?" ***


NIV - the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus

NASB - the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus

KJV - holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus

ESV - you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.



All the verses above translate the Greek as "ABLE TO MAKE".

Sufficient is another way to say "able to make". If something is "able to make" something else happen then it is by definition, sufficient for that task.

We could paraphrase, "the holy scriptures which are sufficient (able to make) you wise unto salvation.

[pseudogratix]

Okay, but even in the case of 2 Timothy 3:15 (I was talking about 3:16), if you are going to assert that the "able to make" means "sufficient," to be faithful to your assertion you must then acknowledge that the scripture that Paul and Timothy had at their reference was sufficient (whatever that was). At the very least, it is very apparent that Paul wasn't talking about the Bible as we have it today. So, it would seem that if you truly believe that the scripture they had was sufficient that you would as least be willing to part with the bulk of the New Testament and at the very least, all of Paul's letters.

pseudogratix @ In Him All Things Hold Together