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To: NYer
Is Fr. Pfeiffer affiliated with the SSPX?

I believe so. The Church he runs is not in union with the Diocese, and therefore by extension, not with Rome.

His attitude shows the problem in a nutshell. Okay, so now Phoenix has a legitimate Bishop who is allowing the Tridentine Mass. What are the congregants of this Church going to do now? Return completely to the "old ways"? What are those? Who determines them?

Fr. Pfeiffer is Pastor of the Church, eh? Sounds like he has made himself Bishop and Pope!

The traditionalists on these threads should pay careful attention to what is going on here. In the short term, they say they want the Tridentine Mass to preserve the Church. So, through disobedience, they create their own Church to, you know, "preserve" the Catholic Faith. Only temporarily, understand. Just til they can bring back the "true" worship of the Church. And when it comes back?

This Pastor now has a congregation functionally in full schism with the Church of Christ - and it looks like it will be permanent. It started with an act of disobedience.

18 posted on 03/17/2004 11:51:22 AM PST by TotusTuus
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To: TotusTuus; NYer; Canticle_of_Deborah
I think the return of the Tridentine Mass is a great development for the Phoenix-area Church. I consider myself to be a traditionalist. One thing that is clear from all the discussion about the Traditional Latin Mass. However, to a lot of traditionalists, the problem isn't "just" about the Mass (though it's a very important component). It's also all of the sacraments and the teachings of the Church. Will the new bishop allow the sacraments to be celebrated in the "old" way too? And to Fr. Pfeiffer and his flock: when will you be satisfied?
19 posted on 03/17/2004 11:59:22 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Minister for the Conversion of Hardened Sinners,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: TotusTuus
The Church he runs is not in union with the Diocese, and therefore by extension, not with Rome.

It is however, in union with the Catholic Faith. Sad those two things are no longer one and the same.

29 posted on 03/17/2004 1:41:41 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: TotusTuus
Finally, inculturation for traditional catholics in Phoenix.

It probably won't happen, but I'd like to see Fr Pfeiffer meet the bishop and maybe the Indult mass could be at that church. Economy of resources.

Btw, there are lots of VII priests posing as bishop and pope, and bishops posing as pope, not to mention many of them posing as Catholics. To bring children to these churches, is a whole lot worse than going to sspx. It's no more fair for you to accuse them of schism using "tradition" as a front than it is for them to accuse you of enabling and fronting for heresy and scandal after scandal for 40 years, all the while using outward orthodoxy to cover yourself.

This is great news for Phoenix, but it's the first decision of many. Having Latin mass is great, but what if the bishop kisses the holy book of a non-Christian religion? Or says that there is no need for non-believers to convert? Or allows pagans to use his cathedral for services? Or is silent as domestic partner legislation advances? What will the bishop say to pro-abortion Catholic politicians? etc etc etc. Others have said it more eloquently, but it really isn't about just the Latin mass. (I go to NO church myself)
36 posted on 03/17/2004 5:03:31 PM PST by catholic
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