30,000 Protestant Denominations?

Calvary Press ^ | 2002 | Eric Svendsen

[drstevej]

OOPS! 30,001...

I just declared myself a denomination.

[drstevej]

***Score, still and always, Catholic denominations, 1. Protestants, many. ***

Isn't unity great?

 

 

***Score, still and always, Catholic denominations, 1. Protestants, many. ***

Isn't unity great?

 

 

[SoothingDave]

You tryna cause trouble? ;-)

The American Spectator reports Kerry's shopping around for a diocese that will deny him communion, so he can try to triangulate off of his own Church.

SD

[drstevej]

Pope Piel will show him some world class denial.

[NYer]

Not really, there is only one Catholic Church to deny this is to deny reality

Christ, having been lifted up from the earth has drawn all men to Himself. Rising from the dead He sent His life-giving Spirit upon His disciples and through Him has established His Body which is the Church as the universal sacrament of salvation. Sitting at the right hand of the Father, He is continually active in the world that He might lead men to the Church and through it join them to Himself and that He might make them partakers of His glorious life by nourishing them with His own Body and Blood. [Vatican Council II, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen gentium

CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES

[HarleyD]

"Kerry's shopping around for a diocese that will deny him communion"

He'll have a difficult time.

[Aquinasfan]

Is your book available on amazon.com ??? :-)

Doh! Pun not intended. 8-)

[SoothingDave]

He'll have a difficult time.

There are places and bishops. But I don't think they want to be played for a PR stunt, which is what Kerry wants. Correction is for those interested in truth, not for those playing games.

SD

[conservonator]

You're not implying that there are many Catholic "churches" in the same sense that there are many Protestant "churches" are you?

[HarleyD]

John 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself Peter's church."

RCT (Revised Catholic Text)

[conservonator]

Matthew 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my a bunch of church(s), and the gates of Hades will not overcome it some of them.

RPV (Revised Protestant Version)

[Quester]

The American Spectator reports Kerry's shopping around for a diocese that will deny him communion, so he can try to triangulate off of his own Church.

What does he stand to gain from this ?

[SoothingDave]

What does he stand to gain from this ?

The Presidency, he thinks.

Such a thing, caught on tape, would be played out in a very long media cycle about how backward and reactionary the Church and right wingers are. It would be portrayed as a hateful move, as a violation of Church and state, etc.

Kerry would look like a hero to certain elements for standing up to the big bully Church.

Among nominal Catholics, even practicing ones with "progressive" views, he would cement his support. There are those who think the Church is evil and reactionary and if only the next Pope is a good guy, they'll have birth control and women priests and gay marriage and all of that approved.

Of course, among these Catholics he'd have their support anyway, but this would be a show of solidarity.

The ethnic, union Catholics might be upset by the challenge to the Church, but what are they going to do? Vote for the Republican? Why, Republicans are only interested in the rich, not the little guy. That mentality persists, at least in the rust belt.

And to Protestants, they get an even stronger assurance, like the original JFK, that Kerry is not going to be a puppet of the Pope.

Agnostics or other non-religous folks will also get a kick out of this "maverick" guy, determined to fight for our rights no matter what some priest might tell him.

SD

[ksen]

And there are only two such Churches in the world -- the Eastern orthodox and the Roman Catholic; the two churches that came out of the One original Church.

According to Conservonator that's one too many.

[ksen]

If you act strongly and cause a formal schism, how many might become lost?

When treating cancer you do not treat it slowly. You cut it out and blast what's left with radiation.

As an aside I think that's what went wrong with our Republican Revolution, we bought into the incrementalism trap.

[Quester]

What does he stand to gain from this ?

The Presidency, he thinks.

I don't know ... it would look like nothing but gross hypocrisy to me.

[conservonator]

According to Conservonator that's one too many.

That's correct, do you disagree?

John 10:16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Do you really think we are one flock with one shepherd?

[HarleyD]

The Catholic Rites identified by your article is no different than different "rites" or beliefs found between the Protestant denominations. A Lutheran may hold different "rites" than a Baptist but we agree upon the same core beliefs. Just as the Catholics have "universal" rites so do Protestants such as communion.

Thus, Barrett’s World Christian Encyclopedia, to be consistent with definitions, is correct to assume Catholic “denominations”.

[dangus]

The Catholic position is arguing the lack of doctrinal unity. All the various rites of Catholicism have identical doctrines. THat said, yes, citing 25,000 Protestant denominations is a bit much, because I doubt there is sharp enough clarity among doctrines to even separate them into 25,000 whatevers.

As for whether a given denomination is Protestant or not, I think the issue is schismatic v. non-schismatic, since schism scripture prohibits schism.

[Titanites]

A Lutheran may hold different "rites" than a Baptist but we agree upon the same core beliefs.

Like the requirement of regenerative water baptism for salvation and the true presence of Christ's body and blood in Holy Communion?