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To: gbcdoj
If your intentions are good so be it. You may be a nice person but so far you seem obsessed with trads. We have enough of those around and your posts have not been limited to sedevacantists.

It's like a syndrome. For some reason there are people who feel the need to judge, attack, correct, hound and badger traditionalist Catholics of all stripes. It doesn't come across as heartfelt concern for a brother's soul either, it comes across as neurotic and mean spirited at times.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor and worry about the homos, power mongers, apostates, heretics, clowns and whatever else. Once we take care of them we can worry about those who worship Jesus devoutly. Even if they may not be doing it correctly in your view.

19 posted on 05/14/2004 6:47:05 PM PDT by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org/forum">Traditional Catholic News Forum</a>)
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To: AAABEST; Viva Christo Rey
You may be a nice person but so far you seem obsessed with trads. We have enough of those around and your posts have not been limited to sedevacantists.

Well, I'm not 'obsessed with trads' - see here for example, where I was discussing the filioque and schism with an Eastern Orthodox poster. Most of my "anti-traditional" posts were in response to stuff like this: "It is, in fact, the Lutheran worship service adapted for Catholics by a committee of humanists. Its theology is Protestant, not Catholic, and it violates strictures established by the Council of Trent. It is therefore an abomination and a danger to the faith." and "The current crop of blighters were all formal heretics before being putatively elected and hence never did, or could ever, occupy the papal throne or possess the Keys of Peter."

It's like a syndrome. For some reason there are people who feel the need to judge, attack, correct, hound and badger traditionalist Catholics of all stripes. It doesn't come across as heartfelt concern for a brother's soul either, it comes across as neurotic and mean spirited at times.

On the subject of "mean spirited", my current discussion with Viva Christo Rey started out with this post of his:

The author, who decries the well-meaning laity obsessing over triviliaties while the Church burns, is guilty of the same, because it is not the Roman Catholic Church, but a false edifice, constructed of tarpaper, by apostates who have usurped titles alone, and have thus led the untutored faithful from the true Body of Christ under the whip of "obedience", obedience to error, lies, untruth, scheming, heresy, blasphemy, sacrilege and apostasy.

The only real solution is to call error, error, lies, lies, apostasy, apostasy, and that which stinks of satan, is of satan and inseparable from it.

And then to return to what the Church has taught, always, in all places and by all, in other words the normal state of affairs before hell opened and spewed forth "Vatican 2", remain in communion with those who hold the true Faith, and separate oneself and flee from those spewing forth heresy, especially from those heretics who purport to possess authority

assaulting what even the Society recognizes as the One Church of Christ as a "false edifice". St. Pius V would have had a man burned at the stake for what is written above. This fulfills everything laid down by St. Thomas in the Summa for "schismatics properly so called" (ST II-II q. 39 a. 1).

It's clear Viva Christo Rey simply doesn't understand Catholic theology well enough. For instance, he asserted on the other thread that religious liberty is a heresy - except it isn't. Even the most authoritative condemnation of religious liberty, by Bl. Pius IX in Quanta Cura, was only infallible but not dogmatic. He, after repeated requests, still hasn't produced a pertinacious heresy of Bl. John XXIII or Paul VI, even after slandering them as "formal heretics". Not to mention the fact "no one who is not a Catholic bishop may conclude definitively that a Pope is a notorious heretic" (Fr. Harrison O.S., cf. Wernz-Vidal 1942, vol. II, p. 518)

22 posted on 05/14/2004 7:22:33 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Et ecce ego vobiscum sum omnibus diebus usque ad consummationem saeculi)
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