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Catholic Way ^ | May 30, 2004 | Rev. Mr. Keith Fournier

Posted on 05/30/2004 9:28:05 AM PDT by tcg

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To: american colleen
Yep, the assimilation hasn't bred tolerance if one is living a life faithful to his Christian beliefs, has it?

Well, it more or less means we are expected to accept immoral lifestyles and behavior. But, if we are faithful, we can't accept it.
21 posted on 05/30/2004 4:09:30 PM PDT by Desdemona (Weather service gave STL the all clear for active weather. Yea.)
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To: Desdemona

We can't hide. We can't live in conclaves and observe the faith.

Last week our priest's sermon was on the media, journalism, politics and the persecution of the Church which he believes will get worse. His exhortation was to be strong, be faithful, and be light in the world. He told us to go out into the community, but go as Christians observing the Law completely and imitating Christ in our relationships with others.

He's right. Being exemplary and being in Christ is the only way to influence the World.


22 posted on 05/30/2004 4:41:40 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Vote Kerry if you want to commit national suicide)
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To: tcg; american colleen; Desdemona; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; OpusatFR; Polycarp IV; ...
Our newspaper published a screed today by Anna Quindlen castigating the bishops who have taken a courageous stand on this issue. Our wonderful paper has had a vendetta against the Catholic Church at least as long as I have lived here. They can't heap enough praise on the pro-abortionists and those who favor gay marriage. Those who disagree are evil and lack compassion.

What I want to know is when did receiving Communion in the Catholic Church become a "right," regardless of the state of your soul? I am a pre-VII fossilette and at Mass only about half the people present would actually receive. No one would dare approach the altar rail unless they had been to Confession and had made a firm commitment to amend his or her life. When did Catholics start emptying out the pews and filing up to receive no matter what kind of sin they are involved in and who encouraged this? My memory fails me. This business with pro-abort politicians would not even have become an issue in the old "benighted" Church.
23 posted on 05/30/2004 5:22:49 PM PDT by k omalley
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To: k omalley

Church leaders need to take responsibility to defend Catholic culture and civilization. It is true that they are entrusted with a spiritual and moral mission which relates to individuals, but Catholic institutions must also be defended from debasement and Catholics should be defended from hostile assaults by secular humanists and other enemies of the faith. The extreme privatization of religion and morality in modern America, as if Christian morality had no public role, must end.


24 posted on 05/30/2004 5:37:10 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Desdemona

Excellent post Desdemona.


25 posted on 05/30/2004 7:52:37 PM PDT by ladyinred (The leftist media is the enemy within.)
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To: OpusatFR

I'm not advocating compounds, but more active parish life. That and Catholics patronizing Catholic businesses, working for Catholics, etc. That does not mean that we treat those who are not Catholic badly, but just the same as we do our own.

There was a time not so long ago when people wanted to work for Catholics as they were treated with dignity. That's the sort of thing I was thinking.

And we can all turn off the reality TV shows.


26 posted on 05/30/2004 8:12:50 PM PDT by Desdemona (Weather service gave STL the all clear for active weather. Yea.)
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To: tcg; ThomasMore; sinkspur

An excellent article and analysis of the situation.

I particularly appreciated your insight that it is, in fact, the dissident politicos who are attempting to enforce their corrupt version of the faith on the Church by insisting on receiving communion, rather than the Magisterium which is trying to enforce a voting pattern on them.

Would that all bishops had the guts of Bishop Sheridan!

BTW - good to see another orthodox deacon posting on the forum. Welcome brother!

Deacon Augustine


27 posted on 05/31/2004 5:59:53 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo

Dear Deacon Augustine

On this Feast of Justin Martyr, I am pleased to not only make your acquaintance but welcome the opportunity to serve with you in the new missionary age. May he be a source of inspiration to the both of us. Rome awaits!I am always happy to meet one more Deacon called to this vocation. I do not believe that the reinstitution of this rank of clergy for this moment in history was "accidental"

Deacon Fournier


28 posted on 06/01/2004 4:16:17 AM PDT by tcg (TCG)
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To: tcg

This will all come to a head when the people you see in the pews beside you are pressured to take a public stand on their moral beliefs. Right now, there are many Catholics who go to Mass (and that's, what, 25% of all Catholics?) who would probably not remain in Communion with the Church if it meant their jobs or their friendships. I don't believe our choices will be EASY, but they will be CLEAR.


29 posted on 06/01/2004 5:39:08 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Polycarp IV
Harold O.J. Brown wrote a book called "Heresies" where he examined the historic heresies from the 1st century on down. Very good reading.

His comment about how things are starting to resemble the Roman persecution struck a cord with me. I am reading Gibbon's classic work on Rome, and he spends the greater part of the first book on why so many Romans hated the early church. It boils down to this, while no one cared what god you prayed to, you where still expected to follow the dictates of society. This included orgies, bloody spectacles at the circuses, and all kinds of immoral living. What angered the Romans was that Christians did not lead that type of life. They protested the immoral behavior, and nothing angers a man more than someone pointing out just how badly he is living his life.
30 posted on 06/01/2004 6:13:43 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: Desdemona
I am Lutheran (LCMS) and often get the same looks when I don't commune with my relatives of different churches. In my understanding, if you take communion in a church, you are aligning yourself with all that church teaches. I can not in good conscience do that.
31 posted on 06/01/2004 6:16:53 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: tcg

Excellant article by the Deacon.

Thank You for posting.

Deacon Francis


32 posted on 06/01/2004 8:07:07 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: OpusatFR

I include in the prayer of the faithful the conversion of the Jewish and Moslem people, and the re-Christianization of America nearly every mass.

Deacon Francis


33 posted on 06/01/2004 8:08:59 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: Polycarp IV

What's really scary is that 48 CINOs from the democratic party have violated the constitution recently and NO ONE is making a stink about it. They have violated the constituional provisions that the government will not interfere with a religious institution's internal affairs. They have placed undue political pressure on my Church to change her preaching policies. Its the political pressure that is unconstitutional.

Deacon Francis


34 posted on 06/01/2004 8:14:47 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: tcg; Tantumergo

Good to have you here at FR with us, Deacon Fournier. I used to watch you often on EWTN years ago. We met many years ago in Steubenville as well. So happy you answered the call to the Diaconate.

Also, good to see you posting Deacon Augustine. Long time no see.

May the God of all grace bless our ministries and help us persevere in the faith handed down to us all.

Deacon Francis


35 posted on 06/01/2004 8:22:09 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: ThomasMore

What upsets me is the complete denial of what the Church teaches.

The sins against the Holy Spirit:

Presumption, despair, resisting known truth, envy of another's spiritual good, obstinancy in sin, and final impenitence.

The four sins crying to Heaven for vengence:

Willful murder, homosexual acts, oppression of the poor and defrauding laborers of their wages.

When did this change? Has it changed?


36 posted on 06/01/2004 8:26:27 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Vote Kerry if you want to commit national suicide)
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To: OpusatFR

Hasn't changed as far as I know.

What has changed is the hearts of men. Many who call themselves Catholic are actually apostate because of their dissenting beliefs.

Deacon Francis


37 posted on 06/01/2004 8:31:41 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: tcg; ThomasMore

"I do not believe that the reinstitution of this rank of clergy for this moment in history was "accidental""

Agreed - there are no "accidents" where the Holy Spirit is concerned!

Though I do sometimes wonder what His plans are for the order, and why it was this particular point in history that it was reinstituted. I'm sure that He doesn't think in terms of "gapfillers" for priest shortages!

Any blinding insights or revelations would be appreciated! I now know what Frodo Baggins meant when he described himself as "butter scraped too thinly on the bread".

;)


38 posted on 06/01/2004 4:32:20 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: ThomasMore

"Long time no see."

Just getting used to juggling preaching, baptisms, funerals, visiting the sick, running the parish finances, clearing the parish grounds, attending umpteen committees and trying to be nice to people, with a wife, four kids, a dog and a job.

Apart from that life's been quiet. ;)

How's things with you?

"May the God of all grace bless our ministries and help us persevere in the faith handed down to us all."

Amen, and amen!


39 posted on 06/01/2004 4:40:22 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: redgolum

What really irritates me re not taking communion in non-Catholic churches is that the few times that I'm around for such services, I sit away from the group on purpose and people who come in late just sit near me. It drives me crazy.


40 posted on 06/01/2004 6:48:04 PM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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