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Give the gays their crosses back
Angelqueen.org ^ | 06-29-04 | John Grasmeier

Posted on 06/28/2004 6:36:11 AM PDT by AAABEST

Why is it that homosexuals seem to have a distinct proclivity to denigrate whatever it is they have their way with?

Our earliest record of homosexuals having their way with others is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Today we’re watching them have their way with the institutions of marriage and education. They’re also attempting to have their way with other various institutions such as the Boy Scouts and the military.

We’ve seen what happens to children when they have their way with them. We've seen the resulting debauchery when they have their way with amusement parks (Disney), art galleries and parades. They’ve had their way with the Catholic and Episcopalian churches, with disastrous consequences for these two prominent religious institutions.

God warns us of homosexuality for good reason and He does so clearly and very unambiguously in scripture. If you’re a Catholic or Christian of any kind, there can be no mistake made about the fact that it is an abomination to the Lord and a grave sin of which you are to repent and seek forgiveness.

It is also an unnatural disorder that can literally be spread like a disease from men to the young boys whom they exploit and abuse, ruining their lives in the process. And abuse they do. Homosexuals are statistically far more promiscuous and abuse minor children at a far higher rate than their heterosexual counterparts within and outside of the clergy.

Despite how it’s portrayed in Hollywood and elsewhere, homosexuality is not funny or cute or by any means "normal". Nor is it a simple parallel lifestyle. It’s dangerous, destructive, and unhealthy and as Dr. Laura put it before she was brutally set upon "deviant". Homosexuals die younger, are less physically and mentally healthy and are less happy than heterosexuals.

In other words, homosexuality is – say it with me now - "bad". It’s bad for society, bad for individuals, bad for children, bad for institutions, bad for your physical health, bad for your metal health, bad for your soul, bad for the Saint Patrick’s day parade and as is glaringly apparent, very bad for the Catholic church.

The independent lay panel that was recently charged with investigating the church "child abuse" scandal found that the Catholic church’s problem was not a "child abuse" scandal at all, it was in fact a homosexual abuse scandal. An incredible 87% of the criminal abusers were guilty of man-on-boy incidents. As it turns out, if were to take homosexuals out of the sample, "child abuse" rates among clergy would be far lower than the child abuse rates of comparable secular vocations, such as education etc. In fact, there would have been no "child abuse" scandal at all. Life for Catholics would be much better and we’d have a much healthier church.

The undeniable truth is that if it weren’t for the disproportionate number of homosexuals who have infiltrated our clergy, we wouldn’t be suffering with the crisis we’re embroiled in now. We would still have the millions upon millions of dollars paid in legal fees to go to helping the poor, building churches and expanding the flock. We wouldn’t have to wonder how much money parishioners have withheld in donations or how many just left Catholicism altogether in disgust. We wouldn’t be hearing the "you have no moral authority" argument (which will be used for generations to come) from our detractors when we speak out on moral issues as an institution.

Gays do not make nearly the sacrifice that straight men do from the get-go. When joining the seminary, a heterosexual male forever gives up the dream of having a wife and family to go and live with men, while the homosexual gives up nothing to go and live with the same men, which are potential sex partners. Such could be compared to putting a young hormone laden straight male into a convent full of young nuns.

Having gay men living in all-male seminaries is an obvious recipe for disaster if the goal is to have a Godly training environment for our future leaders and teachers. In his book "Goodbye! Good Men", Michael Rose documents how we now have a homosexual subculture, which is referred to by many within it as the "sisterhood". They give each other female names, fornicate in the dorms and "dress up like gays from the village" as the well-known and respected reverend John Trigilio from EWTN tells us.

Incidentally, Trigilio was suspended for his comments recorded in the book by the same bishop who allowed a priest to continue giving mass after being charged with having images on his computer of an adult male sodomizing a 5 year old boy.

The Catholic priesthood is becoming known as a gay profession, right up there with design, retail and hairdressing. St. Mary’s seminary in Baltimore is known as the "pink palace" and Notre Dame seminary in New Orleans is known as "Notre Flame". If they bother to apply at all, straight priests who don’t tow the modernist lavender line at our seminaries are being persecuted and driven out.

One would have to wonder if this is how we’re training our future leaders, are we intentionally trying to destroy the church? No wonder we’re having trouble attracting good straight priests.

The flock can no longer carry the homosexuals’ crosses for them under the false banner of Christian charity. There is nothing Christian or charitable about destroying the church that Christ founded in order to give sexually disordered men some non-existent right to lead our masses. Allowing depravity to metastasize and ruin our spiritual livelihood is not kind or righteous in any way whatsoever.. If we are to begin healing, gays must be removed from the clergy and from the seminaries to whatever degree possible and at all costs, ASAP. Our clear choice is to either see that this is done or face ruination.

Further, we shouldn’t let any PC gunk lead us to believe that prohibiting gays from the clergy would be mean-spirited or intolerant, because it wouldn’t. In fact it would be just the opposite; a wise and prudent move that would be good for everyone. Life will go on for the gay male without having the priesthood in his repertoire of career choices, his world won’t collapse around him There are many factors that preclude one from becoming a Catholic priest; homosexuality should simply be made one of them. If they have such a desire to serve, they can do as those of us in the laity do; Volunteer, join the choir, become ushers etc. 

I doubt however that we’ll ever find gays in large numbers among the laity if they aren’t allowed into the priesthood. You don’t find them in large numbers among the laity now and you don’t find them in large numbers amongst the gay community outside the church. For some odd reason, the only place we find large (and very disproportionate) numbers of gays in the Catholic Church seems to be in the clergy. That just doesn’t compute. If the reason we find so many homosexuals in the priesthood were because there are so many with a burning desire to serve the Lord, then San Francisco would be the evangelized gem of Catholicism. It’s not, in fact it’s just the opposite.

The process of cleaning up our priesthood doesn’t have to be a weighty thinking problem either. There doesn’t have to be a lot of gnashing of teeth and tearing at clothes and there doesn’t have to be a lot of painful machinations involved in doing so. If you’re gay, you should not be allowed to be a priest… period. If the rules don’t accommodate such, then we must change the rules.

Remove the homosexuals from the seminaries and clergy ASAP. We’ve been forced to carry their crosses long enough, now it’s time to give them back.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Religion & Science
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1 posted on 06/28/2004 6:36:14 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: ninenot

Here's the article I told you I would write. I guess I owe you a "thanks bud".


2 posted on 06/28/2004 6:37:23 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: ultima ratio; Land of the Irish; Canticle_of_Deborah; Fifthmark; Aestus Veritatis; dsc; ...

Catholic ping


3 posted on 06/28/2004 6:40:46 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: AAABEST
I don't understand why the Pope allows this to continue.

4 posted on 06/28/2004 6:58:39 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: AAABEST
"The undeniable truth is that if it weren’t for the disproportionate number of homosexuals who have infiltrated our clergy, we wouldn’t be suffering with the crisis we’re embroiled in now."

I would add that the crisis is due to a culture of dissent and error that has gotten a foothold in the Chruch.
5 posted on 06/28/2004 7:31:52 AM PDT by johnb2004
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To: William Terrell

The Pope cares so little about this homosexual and pedophile issue that he gave a promotion to Cardinal Law of Boston- who let Fr. Geogan and Fr. Shanely do whatever they wanted to do to little boys and then he wrote them letters of recommendation.
see MSNBC - Former Boston cardinal gets post in Rome ... “Former Boston cardinal gets post in Rome.” Law resigned US post following ... BOSTON -
Cardinal Bernard Law was appointed by the pope ... Law, 72, will have the title of ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5076753/ - Under that bad Borgia Pope Alexander we had plenty of decadence and sex scandals but the doctrine was sound. Today we have both and the liturgy for most Catholics i.e. the Novus Ordo is in shambles. It is the vehicle for the Revolution which seeks to destroy the Catholic Church.

I used to admire Pope John Paul II and believed those who called him John Paul II the great but then I did more reading and the facts just don’t bare this out. The Church is in the worse shape its ever been under his pontificate. Oh I don’t mean its divine Part because that is a perfect society but I speak of its human members who are all too fallible.

Catholics should be writing to their Bishops and telling them no more homosexuality in the seminaries. This behaviors is not even healthy and it is against all Catholic teaching- to think that people make the excuse that homosexuals are born that way and can do nothing about it is ridiculous. So is their also a gene for pedaphilia, and bisexuality? No it is a learned behavior and often times it is caused by being molested by an older homosexual. A bad play called V.... Monologues glorifies the rape of a 16 year old teen age girl by an older 23 year old female. Mothers were taking their daughters to see this perversion. This play was at all of the major Catholic Colleges including Notre Dame and I think John Carroll. When are Catholics going to wake up and say no to all of this sexual licentiousness and perversion? This kills peoples bodies and souls and sends them to hell if they die unrepentant.


6 posted on 06/28/2004 7:44:04 AM PDT by pro Athanasius (Catholicism is not a "politically correct sound bite".)
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To: William Terrell

The Pope cares so little about this homosexual and pedophile issue that he gave a promotion to Cardinal Law of Boston- who let Fr. Geogan and Fr. Shanely do whatever they wanted to do to little boys and then he wrote them letters of recommendation.
see MSNBC - Former Boston cardinal gets post in Rome ... “Former Boston cardinal gets post in Rome.” Law resigned US post following ... BOSTON -
Cardinal Bernard Law was appointed by the pope ... Law, 72, will have the title of ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5076753/ - Under that bad Borgia Pope Alexander we had plenty of decadence and sex scandals but the doctrine was sound. Today we have both and the liturgy for most Catholics i.e. the Novus Ordo is in shambles. It is the vehicle for the Revolution which seeks to destroy the Catholic Church.

I used to admire Pope John Paul II and believed those who called him John Paul II the great but then I did more reading and the facts just don’t bare this out. The Church is in the worse shape its ever been under his pontificate. Oh I don’t mean its divine Part because that is a perfect society but I speak of its human members who are all too fallible.

Catholics should be writing to their Bishops and telling them no more homosexuality in the seminaries. This behaviors is not even healthy and it is against all Catholic teaching- to think that people make the excuse that homosexuals are born that way and can do nothing about it is ridiculous. So is their also a gene for pedaphilia, and bisexuality? No it is a learned behavior and often times it is caused by being molested by an older homosexual. A bad play called V.... Monologues glorifies the rape of a 16 year old teen age girl by an older 23 year old female. Mothers were taking their daughters to see this perversion. This play was at all of the major Catholic Colleges including Notre Dame and I think John Carroll. When are Catholics going to wake up and say no to all of this sexual licentiousness and perversion? This kills peoples bodies and souls and sends them to hell if they die unrepentant.


7 posted on 06/28/2004 7:46:46 AM PDT by pro Athanasius (Catholicism is not a "politically correct sound bite".)
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To: AAABEST
Why is it that homosexuals seem to have a distinct proclivity to denigrate whatever it is they have their way with?

Because their self-loathing becomes outwardly directed.

8 posted on 06/28/2004 7:49:37 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: William Terrell
I don't understand why the Pope allows this to continue.

Quite frankly, I believe it is because he finds this impossible to comprehend.

9 posted on 06/28/2004 8:27:22 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: pro Athanasius
So is their also a gene for pedaphilia, and bisexuality? No it is a learned behavior and often times it is caused by being molested by an older homosexual.

It's entirely possible there is some genetic component that causes a tendency toward homosexuality. So what? You can say the same for alcoholism, wife-beating, and retardation. This doesn't mean it's a good thing that we should approve of. We are human beings. The main thing that sets us apart from animals is our ability to overcome our defects.

10 posted on 06/28/2004 9:19:51 AM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: AAABEST

You wrote this article?


11 posted on 06/28/2004 9:20:15 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: AAABEST

Excellent. Why don't you submit it as an op-ed to one of your local papers. I found you comment about their scarcity among the laity interesting. I once read a book about the gay-lesbians in San Francisco and found that (1) 40% of gays said they were atheist and agnostic (2) 75% of lebisnas said the same thing. The "movement" hates Christianity and blames it for their perceived persecution.


12 posted on 06/28/2004 9:25:28 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: saradippity; ninenot

Yes m'am. Ninenot inspired it when he asked me a few pointed questions as to what we should do about our gay problem.


13 posted on 06/28/2004 11:15:10 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: AAABEST

Altogether a nice presentation of the argument.

You get a 93% because of the spelling errors.


14 posted on 06/28/2004 12:42:12 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: pro Athanasius

Sorry---being the Archpriest of a church in Rome is NOT "a promotion" from being the Cardinal-Archbishop of Rome.

It's a sinecure, and a very forceful argument can be made that under Canon Law, Cdl Law should be provided for by the Church.

After all, he has not been de-frocked, nor has he been accused of/convicted of any crimes by a Canonical Court.

I will grant you that either Law is a very dumb guy, or he was completely hoodwinked by both the shrinks and his underlings---or both.

But stupidity is not a violation of the Canon Law.


15 posted on 06/28/2004 12:46:19 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: FormerLib

Let's just call a spade a spade. The Pope's a liberal, just like Paul VI. He has an unswerving faith that men will correct themselves.

"Optimist" might be another word.


16 posted on 06/28/2004 12:48:19 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: pro Athanasius

AAAArrrrrgggghhhhhh!

In first graph Rome should be Boston. Regrets


17 posted on 06/28/2004 12:55:50 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: AAABEST

Well sir,that was an excellent piece of work.


18 posted on 06/28/2004 1:08:50 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: AAABEST

Very good article - everyone who complains about sex abuse and the Catholic Church should read it. It is NOT a Catholic problem, or a celibacy problem, or a pedophilia problem.

It is a homosexual infiltration problem.

Only one small complaint - using the word "gay" I find offensive, it's a good English word that has been hijacked by homosexuals. Why not just use the word "homosexual"?

I will ping my list!


20 posted on 06/28/2004 1:45:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://www.mikegabbard.com - a REAL conservative running for Congress from Hawaii!)
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