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Help With Name and Slogan for new Church Plant (VANITY)
N/A | 7/8/04 | A2J

Posted on 07/08/2004 11:21:45 PM PDT by A2J

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Well, the lack of a seminary degree seemed to work quite well for the disciples on their way to turning the world upside down.

The apostles got several years of training before they were sent out. Timothy trained under Paul before he was sent out. The idea of training was not foreign to the early church.

seminaries put out more disciples of the denominations that created them than genuine, Christ-like diciples.

In that case, your flock needs to avoid study Bibles, since they have as much theological bias as any seminary.

61 posted on 07/12/2004 9:38:06 AM PDT by PAR35
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led astray

Insofar as that comment can be read to impugn your motives, I apologize. Certainly a new church with no structure of accountability can be led astray by a strong leader with novel theology, but I shouldn't presume that is where things are headed in your case.

62 posted on 07/12/2004 9:56:53 AM PDT by PAR35
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And what they've seen behind the walls of "churches" all too closely resemble what they see everyday on their jobs: politics, fighting, hypocrisy, etc. Therefore, there is no attraction for them to become involved in another venture where there are no signs of life, THE life.*****

Just because organized churches have had politics, fighting, hypocrisy, etc... is no reason to not call it church. Any gathering of people will produce those things - yes, amongst believers too. The Church had it problems even in its infancy with the Apostles of the first century.

What we have now is chaos and watered down theology. People don't even know what sin is nor what virtue and manners are. We've come a long way baby.

Gotterdammerung


63 posted on 07/12/2004 12:33:25 PM PDT by Gotterdammerung
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To: PAR35
The apostles got several years of training before they were sent out. Timothy trained under Paul before he was sent out. The idea of training was not foreign to the early church.

But the learning was more mentoring than educational. In fact, Paul repudiated his formal training at the Gamaliel Seminary, counting it as "rubbish" (i.e., human feces) in comparison to the value of just knowing Christ as He reveals Himself to us PERSONALLY and not through the definitions of men.

64 posted on 07/12/2004 1:57:22 PM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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Just because organized churches have had politics, fighting, hypocrisy, etc... is no reason to not call it church.

Are you saying that the Early Church had "politics?" I don't think they did because they walked in an attitude of "one another," rather than attempting to see their "vision" implemented.

In fact, the early church went to great measures to distance themselves from anything even remotely resembling this system they were saved from: a hierarchial, Pharisaical structure that controlled the debate and decided what the people were to believe.

There's no doubt that the institutionalized church, or rather organizations, have many true and well-intentioned believers in them, but the moment that politics are introduced they no longer are the "called out ones," because they resemble the attitude of the world and cease representing Christ and His Body.

What we have now is chaos and watered down theology. People don't even know what sin is nor what virtue and manners are. We've come a long way baby.

Which are the direct results of the structure and institutionalizing that has entrenched itself since 300 AD. Priests, and later pastors, were forced to water down their version of the gospel because of fear of loss congregation and revenue. The Early Church didn't have to worry about either because they were more focused on the relationship that they had with Jesus and with other who called upon His name.

65 posted on 07/12/2004 2:04:26 PM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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Certainly a new church with no structure of accountability can be led astray by a strong leader with novel theology, but I shouldn't presume that is where things are headed in your case.

And exactly who should be accountable to whom?

In today's structures of "church" it's usually that the congregation is "accountable" to the so-called leadership, although biblical accountability is everyone, including most importantly leaders, being submitted "one to another" in the fear of Christ.

"Spiritual authority" is another of a long line of concocted notions of the power-hungry "clergy" and is intended to keep so-called "wayward sheep" in line with their edicts. But biblical authority is predicated upon the adherence to truth (i.e., the Truth), and does not recognize positional "offices" that men have created to keep themselves in power.

66 posted on 07/12/2004 2:09:25 PM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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Are you saying that the Early Church had "politics?" I don't think they did because they walked in an attitude of "one another," rather than attempting to see their "vision" implemented.

An example of this 'unity' in the early church:

1 Cor. 1:11-12 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

1 Cor 3:3-4 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

And don't forget the lawsuits between believers. (1 Cor. 6:7)

67 posted on 07/12/2004 7:33:54 PM PDT by PAR35
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