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To: thor76
thor76:basically two types

Yosemite Sam, the cantankerous and rambunctious WarnerBrothers cartoon character, is a fairly good working model of the hoodwinked stooge. More difficult to picture him in a black sorcerer's robe conjuring lesser sprites of Lucifer while impersonating a Catholic clergyman during daylight hours. Harder to imagine Sam weathering through 5 or 6 years of Latin and Greek studies.

One might suspect that Latin was suppressed, along with the Latin Mass, in order to make it easier for impostors and creepy KGB agent types to fake being priests.

Uh...ahem...yeah...

43 posted on 07/19/2004 10:44:46 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Not Yosemite Sam! I liked to think of him as a decent if somewhat misanthropic conservative who would give PETA a run for their money.


44 posted on 07/20/2004 7:24:14 AM PDT by TradicalRC (From big government conservatives, good Lord deliver us.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Yosemite Sam,
Actually I had in mind more of a Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel from the Simpsons! But we could easily conceive of two models for Bubba" the rural and the urban. Not much difference between them except in accent & dress.
One might suspect that Latin was suppressed, along with the Latin Mass, in order to make it easier for impostors and creepy KGB agent types to fake being priests.
You may well have a point there. In the book AA-1025, Latin was to be suppressed as part of the long term agenda for the church. I don't recall if that was spelled out as one of the reasons for it, but it would certainly make sense. The ostensible reason was to "eliminate the sense of the sacred and of mystery" from the mass. They certainly succeeded on that point. Chant and organs were to be suppressed in favor of popular songs which would trivialize the mass.
Regardless of the degree or extent of any literal, conscious infiltrators (of which there are many), we have the parallel problem of invalid ordinations. One who seeks approaches a sacrament unworthily (in a state of mortal sin - of insincere intent) cannot validly receive that sacrament - regardless of the validity of the rite used, or of the valid status of the Bishop conferring the sacrament. thus you have a situation where an untold number of ordinations are not valid on account of the false intention of the candidate. This is in addition to the problem posed by the use of invalid versions of the Rite of Ordination, and of Bishops performing the ceremonies who are themselves not validly consecrated as bishops....or who through apostasy and/or masonic membership have excommunicated themselves.
Thus you have a major, unspoken worldwide crisis. We have no way of accurately gauging the actual numbers - although the presumed percentages of "phonies" are staggering. The Pope knows of this - to be sure. But he can do nothing, as the bishops are for the most part in open schism, and will not listen to him. The solution - a massive re-ordination of all clergy - is impossible, as it requires the bishop/priests to admit that there could be such a problem, and it requires humility to submit to re-ordination.
Infiltration - yes, absolutely! The allied problem of invalid priests means: 1) many masses are invalid, 2) many confessions are invalid, 3) many confirmation are invalid, 4) invalid baptisms (hard to screw up - but without the proper intention, quite possible), 5) invalid ordinations. 6)no extreme unction of the dying souls (the wont perform the ritual, and it would not be valid in many cases).
So......ya got trouble, my friends! this is not wild conjecture - it is fact.
47 posted on 07/20/2004 12:30:25 PM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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