[sinkspur]

I was referring to subdeacons, not deacons. I think the order of deacon is tremendously important; I wouldn't be doing it otherwise.

[mershonathome]

I think the order of deacon is tremendously important.

I am glad to see you are a man of your convictions. I too have met some good ones and see some tremendous good they do in the Church--except that most of them still think they are laymen, based on my personal judgment.

Also, whatever did the pre-Vatican II Church do without permanent deacons?

Oops! I forgot. They actually had lots of priests back then--prior to the GREAT RENEWAL in the wake of that magnanimous council--the greatest of all time--mind you. They had priests back then... And lots of seminarians and boys discerning becoming vocations, and altar boys--lots of them.