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To: Diva
But, in all fairness they should just be getting better Catechism and we shouldn't run from legitimate titles just because we might be forced to explain and thus catechize them.

This doctrine would be very hard to explain, even for the best catechist. You can't even get it right:

The fact that the prefix “co” does NOT imply equality is all that has to be stressed.

Of course it does. You're the only one on this thread who seems not to get that. Ask the next fifteen people you meet what the prefix "co" means when attached to something like "co-president" and see what they tell you.

And, here's another one:

Coredemtrix in and of itself does NOT imply equality and unless you want to be as uncharitable as certain Protestants we must assume that the theology places her in a subordinate position, otherwise you're assuming a contradiction in Catholic theology to begin with.

"Co" means "equality", and "assuming" the theology places her in a subordinate position is contrary to the meaning of the term "co." If we have to redefine terms and twist ourselves into knots to explain a doctrine, perhaps we ought to reconsider.

Marian doctrines, frankly, don't have much meaning for most Catholics, and this one would further isolate the Blessed Mother from her humanity by raising her to an almost super-nova status as a quasi Co-Redeemer.

Confusing for Catholics, to say nothing of our separated brethren.

You won't see this definition by JPII.

27 posted on 07/25/2004 3:01:05 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur
This doctrine would be very hard to explain, even for the best catechist. You can't even get it right:

Its very hard to explain when the individual you are trying to explain it to refuses to act charitably and take you at your word.

Here is the quote from the original article:

It is important to note that the prefix "co" in the title Coredemptrix does not mean "equal to" but rather "with", coming from the Latin word cum.

Here is the definition of the Latin word "cum":with, along, among, under.

Does "with" always mean equality? If the lieutenant is "with" his general does that mean he is equal to his general in rank? If the prefix "co" is not always used properly in modern English, what is that to the Church? A better example might be co-worker in common parlance, "my co-worker" could be my supervisor. Even better yet, co-pilot!

"Co" is a collective prefix it does NOT have to mean equal, although "equality" is probably one of the definitions in the modern dictionary, but it is most certainly not the main one. In any case, you do not have to interpret a word based on all of its possible meanings, that's just playing with semantics. This insistence on defining the word in such a way as to create a contradiction in Catholic theology shows a lack of Charity on your part as you are doing it just to argue and indeed a willfulness to give Protestants an argument over what should be a non-issue, even if it is just to placate them, it's false ecumenism.

Marian doctrines, frankly, don't have much meaning for most Catholics...

. And this is where you show yourself for what you really are, you paint with a broad brush and say "most Catholics," on what authority do you decide that Marian doctrines propagated by the Magisterium don't have much meaning for most Catholics?

Confusing for Catholics, to say nothing of our separated brethren

Not confusing for me, but I guess that just demonstrates the difference in our relative educations. You keep insisting that "co" means equal and to justify this you appeal to the uneducated and the heretics. Try making a valid argument. Your know the Arians didn't get it either, does that mean St. Athanasius was wasting his time trying to explain complex theology? The difference between you and me is that I have greater faith in the ability of lay Catholics and Protestants to "get it" if you explain it patiently. Its very simple, did God "force" Himself on Mary or did he ask for her assistance?

30 posted on 07/25/2004 6:43:36 PM PDT by Diva
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