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Purpose Driven or Purpose Drivel?
The discerning side of my mind

Posted on 07/26/2004 1:57:27 PM PDT by Lasher

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To: Quix
You never answered the questions from post #493.
Why???
521 posted on 04/18/2005 6:21:09 AM PDT by pro610 (Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.Praise Jesus Christ!)
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To: GrandEagle
but can't seem to get motivated to spend the time.

Imagine that...

Well I had to get motivated, because it's taking over our church. Good people are getting marginalized a la Delphi method, and I have just kept quiet until now.

They actually contacted a Covenant Rep to figure out how to deal with us. How Scriptural. Scripture only is employed when it coincides with keeping the 'dissenters' in line. Hogwash.

522 posted on 04/18/2005 6:58:30 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Quix
JESUS, THE CHRIST; KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS will be my defense and my high tower.

Well, you can hope...

1 Cor 10:12- 14 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall. No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it. Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.

523 posted on 04/18/2005 7:01:54 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Quix
I'm not privy to His planned communications schedule

Maybe you should ask that what's her name for a vision of such things?

524 posted on 04/18/2005 7:02:31 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Showing that something else is more plausible; more in keeping with the usage of the era etc. should at least give pause for those given to rigid simplistic linguistic applications of narrow reasoning and rules.


525 posted on 04/18/2005 8:12:43 AM PDT by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: pro610

Because The Lord God of Israel is exhorting me to let shrill naysayers rant on

and to mostly apply a certain Proverb to such stimuli.

And, certain 'Christians' seem to enjoy your rantings undisturbed.


Why do you rant so mean-spiritedly and irrationally?


526 posted on 04/18/2005 8:19:04 AM PDT by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Terriergal

I wholeheartedly encourage you to vigorously apply your highlighted Scripture.


527 posted on 04/18/2005 8:23:06 AM PDT by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix
I wholeheartedly encourage you to vigorously apply your highlighted Scripture.

You're funny.

528 posted on 04/18/2005 8:28:25 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Quix; pro610
Because The Lord God of Israel is exhorting me to let shrill naysayers rant on

BWWWAAAHAHAHA!

Go get your holy ghost machine gun.

1Ki 18:27 - And so it was, at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, "Cry aloud, for he is a god; either he is meditating, or he is busy, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened."

529 posted on 04/18/2005 8:32:20 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Quix; fortheDeclaration
should at least give pause for those given to rigid simplistic linguistic applications of narrow reasoning and rules.

Oh tha'ts rich.

530 posted on 04/18/2005 8:34:12 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Quix

Reread your own posts.

You are defending PDL over Christ.

Think about it. You might hear it again.


531 posted on 04/18/2005 9:45:36 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Screw the truth into men's minds." Richard Baxter)
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To: pro610; Quix

***Quix, are you part of the Cosmic Christ crowd.
The ones that think Jesus is coming back to earth on a spaceship?***

LOL!


532 posted on 04/18/2005 1:44:04 PM PDT by Gamecock ("Screw the truth into men's minds." Richard Baxter)
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To: Quix

Your response is off the wall.

Do you write whatever comes into your head?

You still did not answer the questions from post 493.
Are we all to assume this is what you think?

I have posted facts and Truths regarding PDL,PDC.
You equate truths to rantings.


533 posted on 04/18/2005 3:38:19 PM PDT by pro610 (Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.Praise Jesus Christ!)
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To: Quix

Your response is off the wall.

Do you write whatever comes into your head?

You still did not answer the questions from post 493.
Are we all to assume this is what you think?

I have posted facts and Truths regarding PDL,PDC.
You equate truths to rantings.


534 posted on 04/18/2005 3:38:22 PM PDT by pro610 (Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.Praise Jesus Christ!)
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To: Quix

Your response is off the wall.

Do you write whatever comes into your head?

You still did not answer the questions from post 493.
Are we all to assume this is what you think?

I have posted facts and Truths regarding PDL,PDC.
You equate truths to rantings.


535 posted on 04/18/2005 3:38:22 PM PDT by pro610 (Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.Praise Jesus Christ!)
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To: Quix

Your response is off the wall.

Do you write whatever comes into your head?

You still did not answer the questions from post 493.
Are we all to assume this is what you think?

I have posted facts and Truths regarding PDL,PDC.
You equate truths to rantings.


536 posted on 04/18/2005 3:38:24 PM PDT by pro610 (Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.Praise Jesus Christ!)
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To: pro610; All

Wrong. Not at all how I construe reality.

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USEFUL SUGGESTIONS FOR REARING GODLY, OVERCOMING KIDS. FROM:

http://www.focusonyourchild.com/develop/art1/A0001362.html




Development Topics

Raising Successful Kids

Add One Asset at a Time

It’s encouraging to know that your young person doesn’t need all 40 assets to do well. This isn’t about becoming perfect, or the class valedictorian or all-state athlete. When young people hit a level of 21 assets, their risk factors go way down. That’s like a young driver reaching 21 and his car insurance rates coming down.

Here’s a few ideas on how to add some assets quickly:

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Asset #6 is parent involvement in school.
Find little ways to be present at school. For example, walk your elementary child to her class rather than drop her at the curb. You’ll silently let her and her friends know that she’s valuable and that you’re involved.
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Asset #21 is achievement motivation.
Even while your kids are in elementary school, nurture vision for college. Visit college campuses whenever you can.
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Asset #32 is planning and decision-making.
Nowadays youth activities seem to be overcoached, leaving youth with little decision-making experience. Let your church stand out; really empower youth by letting them plan and lead.
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Asset #39 is believing that “my life has a purpose.
Talk over some questions with your children:
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If everyone understood that life on earth is really preparation for eternity, how would we act differently?
2.

What do you love to do that you could use to serve others in the family of God?

# What do you feel might be a part of the Life Message that God has given you to share with the world?

Questions are from Rick Warren’s The Purpose-Driven Life (Grand Rapids: Zondervan), pp. 320-322.

— David Bunker


537 posted on 04/19/2005 7:03:23 PM PDT by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Lasher

What the seeker churches won't preach on.

http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/hell.html

When A Sinner Goes To Hell. . .
"....the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame." Luke 16:22-24.

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. . ." Matthew 25:41.

"Enter ye in at the straight gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14.

"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 8:12.

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for the to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." Mark 9:43-44.


The subject of Hell isn't a very POPULAR subject, but it is, indeed, a very IMPORTANT subject. Jesus preached often about this horrible place for one basic reason: HE DOES NOT WANT YOU TO GO THERE! There are many who consider "hell fire" preaching to be cruel and unnecessary, but the Lord Jesus Christ thought it was very necessary to preach on Hell and WARN lost people of this horrible place.

Friend, since you began reading this tract, many people have died and went to Hell forever, and many more will have gone before you've finished. I can assure you that they would all love to have a second chance. They would all love to be able to read this tract and receive Christ as their Savior, but it's too late for them. They'll be in Hell for eternity. What about YOU?

As followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, it is our Christian duty to WARN people about the eternal torments of Hell. So we urge you to carefully consider these words of warning while you still have a chance, while God's invitation is still open to you.

THE SPHERE OF HELL

The sphere of Hell is a round, hollowed-out place in the Earth's core. Scientists say that the Earth's outer crust is less than twenty miles thick, and that beyond that point, there are rivers and lakes of FLAMING HOT LAVA, or, as the Bible calls it, a "lake of fire" (Rev. 20:15). So, this very moment your eternal soul may be less than twenty miles from the burning fires of Hell!

Hell isn't in some distant dimension; Hell is UNDER YOUR FEET! The rebels in Numbers chapter 16 went DOWN into the pit. Moses wrote in Deuteronomy 32:22 about a fire in the LOWEST HELL. Amos 9:2 speaks of people trying to DIG down into Hell. So Hell is a REAL PLACE, and it's UNDER YOUR FEET RIGHT NOW, torturing millions of lost souls forever! Think about that!

THE SUFFERING OF HELL

If you go to Hell, you'll suffer. That's what Hell is for. Just as the rich man of Luke 16, you'll be TORMENTED IN FLAMES. A sinner closes his eyes in death, and the Devil has his soul to torment in Hell forever.

You say, "God wouldn't allow such a thing to happen." Sure He will! God allows people to suffer all the time. God allowed Hitler to murder 6,000,000 Jews, did He not? God allowed Herod to kill the children under two years old, did He not (Matthew 2)? If God will allow innocent babies to be murdered, then why wouldn't He allow a Christ rejecting sinner to burn in Hell? Did God not allow Jesus Christ, an innocent and sinless man, to be beaten and murdered? If God will allow His only begotten Son to suffer and be murdered, then why should God save a sinner from Hell when he chooses not to trust Christ as Savior? Listen, friend, GOD WILL ALLOW YOU TO GO TO HELL AND BURN IF YOU ARE NOT BORN AGAIN. It happens all the time.

The suffering of Hell is horrible. Not only is there physical suffering, but there is also a great deal of MENTAL suffering. You'll always remember your earthly life. You'll remember your family and your friends. You'll remember your spouse and your children. Just as the rich man in Luke 16, you'll remember it all! You'll also remember the chances that you had to be saved. You'll remember reading this paper, and you'll remember your thoughts and comments about this paper. In Hell, you will always remember the moment that you REJECTED Jesus Christ as your Savior.

All sinners go to Hell, and they go there to suffer.

THE SOUNDS OF HELL

In Hell, there are certain sounds that you'll never hear. We take many sounds for granted today, but in Hell you'll miss them terribly. For instance, the beautiful sounds of nature will not be there. You can't hear the wind blowing gently through the tree tops in Hell, no flowing springs of water, no birds singing, and no spring showers.

You won't hear any children laughing and playing in Hell, for there are no children in Hell. You won't hear anyone say, "I love you", because in Hell, there isn't any love.

In Hell, you will hear people screaming for mercy twenty-four hours a day. It'll never stop! There will be no peace and quiet in Hell. Hell will be forever filled with roaring flames, boiling hot lava, and the horrible screams of billions of lost souls! You'll never escape the sounds of Hell.

THE SIGHT OF HELL

You'll think of the wonderful sights of God's creation, such as the beautiful sunsets, the rolling hills, and the tall snow-topped mountains, but you'll never see them again.

The Lord Jesus described Hell as a place of outer darkness. Imagine being in a place where you could only see flames rolling in the dark. Imagine seeing someone's FACE in those flames! There are no smiling faces in Hell, only the faces of pain, agony and sorrow. You'll remember all of the pretty, smiling faces that you once knew, but you'll never see them again. You'll never see your children again. You'll never see your family again. In Hell, friend, you'll see nothing except weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth forever!

THE SOCIETY OF HELL

Did you ever stop to think about WHO will be in Hell with you? Hell is the prison house of the universe. Hell is the eternal home of all drunkards, whores, thieves, murderers, hypocrites, queers and lesbians. When you go to Hell, you will not go to some special Hell just for you and your class of people. No, you will go to the prison of the universe, and you will be locked away forever with every enemy of God!

One of the most shocking things that you will discover in Hell is the fact that you will be an INFERIOR being. The Bible says that man was made LOWER THAN THE ANGELS, and Jesus Himself said that Hell was originally prepared for the Devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41). Friend, in Hell you will be RULED over by Satan and his evil forces! You will be inferior to the supernatural forces of evil. Your new home will be made up of demons, fallen angels, principalities, powers, spiritual wickedness, and even Satan himself, and YOU will be at the bottom of the guest list! If you go to Hell, you will no doubt feel very much out of place, and you'll be there forever.

THE SUDDENNESS OF HELL

Jesus said in Luke 16:22-23 that the rich man there died and was in Hell IMMEDIATELY. He was a sinner, so he went straight to Hell.

Hell is filled with people who thought they'd trust Christ to save them someday. Proverbs 27:1 says, "Boast not thyself of tomorrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth." The rich fool in Luke 12 had big plans for the future, but God said, "Thou Fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee. . ."

Hell comes suddenly. When King Belshazzar threw his drunken brawl in Daniel chapter five, he had no idea that he'd be in Hell before sunrise. Goliath had no idea that a small stone slung by a young shepherd boy would land his soul in Hell forever, but it did. Before his corpse was even cold, his soul was suffering the torments of Hell. Hell almost always takes its victims by sudden surprise, and YOU could be next.

THE SHAME OF HELL

What is the shame of Hell? Well, friend, the shame of Hell is the fact that, if you go there, you will eventually come to grips with one unforgettable truth: YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GO! Imagine that! Imagine spending ETERNITY with that on your mind! Imagine being in Hell for a million years and then thinking, "I didn't have to come here! I could have received Christ! Oh, what a fool I was! If only I had not been so stubborn! If...if...if...!" That's the shame of Hell: going there when you DON'T HAVE TO GO!

People accuse God of being unfair in sending sinners to Hell. Listen, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO! The decision is YOUR'S, not God's. God made His decision 2000 years ago when He gave His Only Begotten Son to die as a payment for your sins. If you go to Hell, you will go AGAINST God's will, because God wants you to REPENT and trust Christ to save you ( II Peter 3:9). How about it? Will you turn from your sins right now and trust Christ to save you? Remember, it's YOUR decision.

THE SALVATION FROM HELL

Isaiah 1:18 says, "Come now, let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." All men are sinners and need to be cleansed from sin (Rom. 3:23), and that cleansing can only come through the precious Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ (Rev. 1:5; Col. 1:14).

Consider the words of the Apostle Paul: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Your only way to Heaven is through the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 10:13 says, "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:9 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Why not turn to Him right now? Turn from your sins! Claim His promises and trust Him to save you while there's still time. Tomorrow may be too late.


538 posted on 04/23/2005 2:34:31 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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