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I wish this would answer those Trads that think the Remnant, Seattle Catholic, etc. versions are true...

But at least this might help them see a little more clearly, but I doubt it... Our Lady of Fatima pray for us.

1 posted on 07/27/2004 2:31:10 PM PDT by Saint Athanasius
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To: NYer; Salvation; sinkspur; rhinohunter; sitetest

Ping your lists if you want to...


2 posted on 07/27/2004 2:33:41 PM PDT by Saint Athanasius ("I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Saint Athanasius

So... a bunch of non-Catholic pilgrims came to Fatima and prayed to our Lady for peace?

How scandalous!!


3 posted on 07/27/2004 3:04:27 PM PDT by sitetest (I'm shocked, I tellya, shocked.)
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To: Saint Athanasius
I think the versions presented in this post and by the Remnant and Catholic Family News are in agreement. It is not the facts of what happened that are in dispute. It is the proper Catholic reaction to them that is.

p.s. If you really think that the Hindus believe that "The Most Holy Mother" is the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, I've got a bridge in Arizona...

4 posted on 07/27/2004 3:52:35 PM PDT by Bellarmine
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To: Saint Athanasius
I wish this would answer those Trads that think the Remnant, Seattle Catholic, etc. versions are true...

Already posted. Already discussed. Already admitted even by non-traditionalists that this supposed "explanation" by the shrine rector is no explanation at all. Nor does it in any way call into question the veracity of The Remnant or Seattle Catholic or any other traditional Catholic publication. So your slander regarding their honesty is uncalled for.

5 posted on 07/27/2004 4:57:58 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Saint Athanasius
I wish this would answer those Trads that think the Remnant, Seattle Catholic, etc. versions are true...

Did you even read what you posted?

We note that this intention of peace, being universal, is the same intention that, in our opinion, has brought to the Shrine other personalities who are not Catholic, such as for instance the Dalai Lama, the President of the Republic of India, and also the wives of President Clinton and President Arafat. Groups of non Catholic Christians also come with the intention of asking for Church unity. Although not with great frequency, some high representatives of the Orthodox Churches have been welcomed in the Shrine. Recently some tens Anglican priests, accompanied by their bishop, held a spiritual retreat in one of the houses of the Shrine.

Do you remember what the Blessed Mother actually said at Fatima about peace?

Hint: It didn't involve Hillary Clinton or Yassar Arafat.

7 posted on 07/27/2004 8:18:46 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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I am glad for the clarification. I had been deeply alarmed at what I had heard. I do not see the photos from Polycarp's thread as disproving what is stated here; in fact, other posters had used phots from the London Temple in their comments about Fatima, making it seem that these pagan idols were present in the Fatima shrine. Seeing them as they appeared in Polycarp's thread disabused me of this frightening notion.

I do believe the rector of Fatima displayed poor judgment. He essentially entrusted sacred, Catholic space to the intentions of the translator. And he opened himself up to the accusations made by traditionalists that pagan ceremonies had occurred. On the other hand, there is no evidence anything was done which could not have been done by someone wandering around any given Church which does not lock its doors between masses.

His comparison of praying with Hindi and praying with Protestants is unjust and insulting to Protestants. Protestants pray to the same God we do, even if there knowledge of him is somewhat "defective."

That said, this article may go a long way towards making me feel far more comfortable about what has taken place in Fatima. I am scandalized by apostasy, not by unwise decisions by a rector.


13 posted on 07/28/2004 9:37:46 AM PDT by dangus
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LOL... How about Christians and Hindus making pilgrimages to Mecca...


15 posted on 07/28/2004 11:38:28 AM PDT by asantane
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