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To: NYer
The Maronite Church professes the same faith and beliefs of the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

I asked you if the Maronite Catholic Church professes the Filioque, teaches Immaculate Conception and agrees with the dogma of papal infallibility. Do you use leavened bread? I was asking specific questions and hoping for specific answers.

I believe you have that backwards. The Orthodox churches are in schism. Christ left His church to one person, not a group of churches

But of course! The four Patriarchs are wrong. Only one is right. May I remind you of the famous verse (Mk 9:35)

That hardly fits the profile of a pope. Or have you forgotten the other famous verse (Mt 16:23)

In Acts 6:2, the apostles speak as a equals. Revelations 21:14 leaves no doubt that John (as late as 99 AD) did not see Peter as being above the other apostles

As the oldest among the apostles, Peter was naturally given "primacy" over his chronological juniors, as is the custom in many societies. But nowhere is it obvious that Peter was to rule the Church or to asusme the pretentious title of Christ's viccar on Earth. Christ does not need anyone to assist Him!. There is a clear difference between the deference rendedred to older members as a sign of respect and maturity, and absolute authoirty over his peers.

It is clear that Jesus did not intend to endow Peter with any special authoirty or privilege when He says (Mt 19:28)


22 posted on 08/17/2004 2:55:53 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; sandyeggo
I asked you if the Maronite Catholic Church professes the Filioque, teaches Immaculate Conception and agrees with the dogma of papal infallibility. Do you use leavened bread? I was asking specific questions and hoping for specific answers.

To which I gave you a specific response: The Maronite Church professes the same faith and beliefs of the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. How much more specific than that!

No, the Maronite Catholic Church does not use leavened bread.

As the oldest among the apostles, Peter was naturally given "primacy" over his chronological juniors, as is the custom in many societies. But nowhere is it obvious that Peter was to rule the Church or to asusme the pretentious title of Christ's viccar on Earth.

"When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ." - Matthew 16:13-20

"So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. He saith to him again the second time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. He saith unto him the third time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep." - John 21:15-17


25 posted on 08/17/2004 6:57:07 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: kosta50
The four Patriarchs are wrong.

True -- they were under the sway of the muslims or the Emperor --> both of whom wanted to ensure that the church was a tool to be used by them.

And the orthodox churchs generally were tools for those in power -- right from the Emperor to the Caliph to the Tsar.
36 posted on 08/17/2004 2:55:31 PM PDT by Cronos (The Church led by Christ's servant on earth, the Pope is pure Christianity)
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