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An Urgent Appeal For Prayer from India (Catholic persecution)
email | August 19, 2004 | vanity

Posted on 08/19/2004 12:12:31 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah

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1 posted on 08/19/2004 12:12:31 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Land of the Irish; ultima ratio; pascendi; nickcarraway; Maximilian; Pyro7480; NWU Army ROTC; ...
These churches are owned by the laity. Pray for Divine help for the Catholics of India!

However, the Bishops supporters, and the Government people, urged, "Cannot you stop that Mass of yours?"

"Oh, no, we need our daily Mass". "Please, if you would, just STOP THAT MASS!"

(traditional Catholic ping list -- freepmail if you want off or on)

2 posted on 08/19/2004 12:16:23 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Latest update:

Correspondence from Fr. Blute, August 16, 2004:

...The critical juncture is over. The Bishop bought a judgement from the High Court, in Madras, and obtained rights over the keys of the church, came with police, and entered. We and all the people fled away. With great solemnity, the Bishop celebrated Mass in the very place hallowed by the Tridentine Mass days before: to an empty church.


There were 40 local people, and about the same brought by the Bishop in a bus. The normal crowd is 3000!! The people are themselves asking to set up a tent on borrowed land, and have the Latin Mass within 2 weeks.

The people of Punnai nagar, especially, are bracing for the next onslaught, because they have also rejected the government of the Bishop Leon Dharmaraj (means "Lion King of Virtue" the old women laugh and say Leon
Adarmaraj---"Lion king of vice"). Recall that St. Peter says "your adversary the Devil as a roaring Leon goes about
seeking whom he may devour.") So keep praying for us; there is a harvest to be gathered for tradition, and whether it yield 40, 60, or 100 fold depends on our prayers.


Fr. Blute


3 posted on 08/19/2004 12:17:41 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

whoa!


4 posted on 08/19/2004 12:19:30 AM PDT by GeronL (Viking Kitties have won the GOLD MEDAL in the 2,000 meter ZOTTING)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Recall that St. Peter says "your adversary the Devil as a roaring Leon goes about seeking whom he may devour."

Bears repeating.


5 posted on 08/19/2004 1:59:50 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
STOP THAT MASS!

This is the mentality of the modernists. They hate and fear the Mass because it undermines their agenda.

6 posted on 08/19/2004 4:09:57 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
These churches are owned by the laity.

Under the jurisdiction of the local bishop. That is Canon Law.

That same Canon Law does not allow laymen to hire and fire priests, nor to disobey the local bishop.

I'd certainly favor more control of local churches by the laity. But, in a civil dispute such as this, governments will defer to the ecclesiastical jurisdiction, and that is the local bishop.

7 posted on 08/19/2004 4:23:04 AM PDT by sinkspur ("Is it OK to send watered silk to the dry cleaners"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur
My wife attends Mass at the local Polish Mission, which is owned by the Order of priests fulfilling the spiritual needs of Polish speaking immigrants.

The Mission does participate in a division of its Sunday collection with the Diocese Office, and promotes the annual pledge to the Diocese Fund.

Likewise a Catholic university lies within the Diocese, but the lay faculty answers to the Jesuit Order - who also own the property.

8 posted on 08/19/2004 4:35:30 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Please see Post 8, about who's on first.


9 posted on 08/19/2004 4:37:15 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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Those priests at the Polish mission cannot function unless given faculties by the local bishop.

Bishops, like it or not, are the ecclesiastical authorities in a diocese

The bishop could also withdraw faculties for the local Catholic university, and it would cease to become a "Catholic university."

Canon Law.

10 posted on 08/19/2004 4:40:31 AM PDT by sinkspur ("Is it OK to send watered silk to the dry cleaners"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Ping for further reading. Look for New Testament churches with which to worship would be my suggestion. The violence, anger and upset could all be avoided.


11 posted on 08/19/2004 4:46:29 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The only "New Testament church" is the Catholic Church - something the Indians of the area obviously realize.


12 posted on 08/19/2004 5:02:29 AM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: sinkspur; Canticle_of_Deborah

Actually more complicated than that. The current Code of Canon Law expects the Church to live within the civil code where it finds itself, in general. The case in India varies from state to state where there are political realities for parishes that require a Catholic bishop to function in a way that no American bishop could imagine. The bishop in this case is doing what most Catholic bishops are doing in India, smashing and destroying the old civil structures that bound them by using whatever means are necessary. This has been happening since the Council and has been ratcheting up in recent years to a fever pitch in several parts of India.


13 posted on 08/19/2004 7:07:15 AM PDT by Maeve (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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In this part of India, there are a huge number of Catholics who are more than willing to walk out of their ancient church buildings just to find the real Mass. The Tamil adaptation of the mass mentioned is a syncretistic nightmare. I would never take my own children to such a mass laden with bits and pieces of the Hindu scriptures.
14 posted on 08/19/2004 7:11:05 AM PDT by Maeve (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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To: sinkspur; Canticle_of_Deborah

Game over.


15 posted on 08/19/2004 7:39:14 AM PDT by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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**Those priests at the Polish mission cannot function unless given faculties by the local bishop.**

True with any order. Not just Jesuits.

In this archdiocese we have land owned and operated by the Benedictine's WITH the approval of the archbishop.


16 posted on 08/19/2004 8:26:55 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
American Catholics often fall into the trap of thinking that the way things work in the US or Canada is how they work for the Church in other countries. It is not always so cut and dried abroad particularly where the Church has ancient roots in the midst of hostile powers etc. Unique historical circumstances do contribute to conditions that are inconceivable in America.

The underground Catholic Church in the former Czechoslovakia parallel to the visible Catholic Church in that former nation gave some indication of the unusual situations the Church finds herself in. After the Velvet Revolution, it took a while for the Vatican to figure out it needed to erect the Greek Catholic Church in the Czech Republic to accomodate the underground married priests who were the bravest men and Catholic heroes. The Vatican officials at first treated them like unwanted vermin, but that is not new for God's saints in the making.

17 posted on 08/19/2004 9:47:45 AM PDT by Maeve (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Please, if you would, just STOP THAT MASS

Sounds just like many of the USCCB bishops.

18 posted on 08/19/2004 10:09:58 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: sinkspur
and it would cease to become a "Catholic university."

Too late. They already claim they are a "Jesuit education," not Catholic University.

19 posted on 08/19/2004 11:17:43 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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The laity already control the local church already. In my town they decided baptism is not necessary, and that's that.


20 posted on 08/19/2004 11:20:28 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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