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To: BlackElk; Canticle_of_Deborah; Land of the Irish; Grey Ghost II; Maximilian; ultima ratio; ...
Archbishop Lefebvre once declared that 'paul vi' was the antichrist.

Why anyone would even consider, let alone continue in negotiations - even unto this day - to be in communion with the organization of the antichrist is beyond me.

By the confusion in their teaching and their practice in treating the apostate church of 'vatican ii' as the true Church,the SSPX has set itself, its followers, and the traditional Catholic resistance in general up to be delivered over to the false shephers of the apostate church, and their souls to be devoured.

This situation in France has sadly happened many times in the past, and will continue to happen, rendering asunder the true Roman Catholic Church that remains, until the SSPX leadership relinquishes its pride and ambition, and stands for Christ, and truth, and in support of those rare statements in the past when they had at least courage to consider them.

Excerpt from a speech given by Archbishop Lefebvre to two seminaries on March 30 and April 18, 1986, before the first abomination at Assisi by 'john paul ii':

"Now I don't know if the time has come to say that the Pope is a heretic; I don't know if it is the time to say that. You know, for some time many people, the sedevacantists, have been saying "there is no more Pope," but I think that for me it was not yet the time to say that, because it was not sure, it was not evident, it was very difficult to say that the Pope is a heretic, the Pope is apostate. But I recognize that slowly, very slowly, by the deeds and acts of the Pope himself we begin to be very anxious. I am not inventing this situation; I do not want it. I would gladly give my life to bring it to an end, but this is the situation we face, unfolding before our eyes like a film in the cinema. I don't think it has ever happened in the history of the Church, the man seated in the chair of Peter partaking in the worship of false gods."

"What conclusion must we draw in a few months if we are confronted by these repeated acts of partaking in false worship? I don't know. I wonder. But I think the Pope can do nothing worse than call together a meeting of all religions, when we know there is only one true religion and all other religions belong to the devil. So perhaps after this famous meeting of Assisi, perhaps we must say that the Pope is a heretic, is apostate. Now I don't wish yet to say it formally and solemnly, but it seems at first sight that it is impossible for a Pope to be publicly and formally heretical. Our Lord has promised to be with him, to keep his faith, to keep him in the Faith - how can he at the same time be a public heretic and virtually apostatise? So it is possible we may be obliged to believe this pope is not pope."

53 posted on 09/20/2004 3:37:36 PM PDT by Viva Christo Rey
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To: Viva Christo Rey

Well, it took 52 posts to get to them, but the sede vacantists are on board.


54 posted on 09/20/2004 3:40:39 PM PDT by charliemarlow
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To: Viva Christo Rey

But Lefebvre NEVER crossed the line. He was tempted to say this Pope was a heretic--but he declined ultimately to agree with the sedevacantists. That is the essential truth.
My own view is it doesn't matter all that much. Sedevacantists don't deny the papacy, only the legitimacy of John Paul II--which even Lefebvre had trouble with. Traditionalists have the true Catholic faith--they shouldn't be fighting one another--and playing into Rome's hands by doing so.


78 posted on 09/20/2004 5:55:50 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Viva Christo Rey

""Now I don't know if the time has come to say that the Pope is a heretic; I don't know if it is the time to say that. You know, for some time many people, the sedevacantists, have been saying "there is no more Pope," but I think that for me it was not yet the time to say that, because it was not sure, it was not evident, it was very difficult to say that the Pope is a heretic, the Pope is apostate."

This may interest you...
http://www.sanctus.cc/siri.htm


317 posted on 09/21/2004 11:56:57 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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