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To: Pyro7480

Thanks for posting this (and thanks to RoyalCello for passing it along).

It amazes me that anyone claiming to be a good Catholic can protest the beatification of anyone by the Holy Father.

Furthermore, I find it horrific that it is implied Emperor Charles tried to impose himself by force on an unwilling people. All he did was try to regain the position which, even according to the Hungarian government in power at the time, he ALREADY held -Apostolic King of Hungary.

Regardless though, had his attempt actually been a military effort (which it was not) there is nothing wrong with using force if need be to correct an injustice. I wonder if these same "devout" Catholics would condemn the martyrs of the Catholic and Royal Army of the Vendee, the Carlistos of Spain, the Cristeros of Mexico or any of the armies fighting to restore the rule of the Hapsburg monarchs during the Protestant Revolution in central Europe?

Maybe so, they've already seemed to turn against the Crusaders and the great Queen Isabella the Catholic of Spain.


16 posted on 09/28/2004 5:48:33 PM PDT by Guelph4ever (“Tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et tibi dabo claves regni coelorum”)
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To: Guelph4ever
It amazes me that anyone claiming to be a good Catholic can protest the beatification of anyone by the Holy Father.

Well....I think there may have been some legitimate questions about Fr. Josemaria Escriva of Opus Dei. I've read some disturbing things, about him (he had a terrible temper and could be viciously cruel to subordinates), his organization (regarded by many devout Catholics as having cultlike tendencies), and his canonization process (the only witnesses to his "miracles" were Opus Dei doctors) from respectable, Catholic sources. At the very least, he was not as obviously deserving of the honor as Emperor Karl.

As I said in my previous post, I wish that there had not been so many beatifications and canonizations recently due to lowered standards; it would make the Emperor stand out more if this were a rarer event, as it used to be.

28 posted on 09/29/2004 9:50:15 AM PDT by royalcello
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To: Guelph4ever
Pope John Paul II is to beatify Karl I

If there's proper basis, then fine. But you don't understand. All of these beatifications under the reign of JP II will, someday, have to be revoked and reconsidered. The process is out of control, without checks and balances. And repentant, wise, holy and Saintly people are mixed in with those who may not be. They will have to start over, in future, re-reform the system, and take it all seriously - which they have not done under JP II.

I understand, completely, that you completely disagree.

31 posted on 09/30/2004 2:34:06 AM PDT by sevry
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