Top Misconceptions about Islam

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[Sajida]

Top Misconceptions About Islam

[giznort]

Welcom to FreeRepublic

[isthisnickcool]

I found that this site shows me all I need to know about how Islam works in practice.

I personally find little if anything about Islam attractive.

[Dacus943]

Welcome... be prepared for counter points to your observations!

[Constitution Day]

Funny, I don't see anything on this thread about homicide bombers, jihad, or the oppression of your womenfolk.
Am I wrong?

[angkor]

That's all very nice, but what about jihad, honor killings, stoning for "blasphemy", beheadings, murdering "infidels", bombing Christian churches, and all the rest?

[1 spark]

These sites help to straighten out any misconceptions of Islam:

http://www.faithfreedom.org

http://www.apostatesofislam.com

Articles, testimonials, and discussion forums are very informative

[Conservative til I die]

THis crap reminds me of a book I bought on remainder by a guy named John Renard. So tired of Muslims and their Western useful idiots and fellow travellers trying to poo poo all the negatives of Islam.

[tessalu]

There is a lot of great Islamic teaching, so do not miss out:
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 443:
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
The Prophet once passed by two graves, and those two persons (in the graves) were being tortured. He said, "They are being tortured not for a great thing (to avoid). One of them never saved himself from being soiled with his urine, while the other was going about with calumnies (to make enmity between friends). He then took a green leaf of a date-palm tree split it into two pieces and fixed one on each grave. The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Why have you done so?" He replied, "I hope that their punishment may be lessened till they (the leaf) become dry."

So do not wet the bed or you will get tortured in hell.

Anyone who will believe things like this will believe just anything.

[sevry]

So tired of Muslims and their Western useful idiots and fellow travellers trying to poo poo all the negatives of Islam.

The essential 'negative' is that like liberals, Muslims have two exclusive codes of conduct - one for the 'enlightened' and club member, and a vicious anti-code reserved for the infidel and unwashed.

[OpusatFR]

""To Allah, there are no animals viler than those who do not believe and remain unbelievers" (Sura 8:55). That is why it is necessary to Islamize them by force and by humiliation. And those who resist Islam and its founder must be chastised, according to the Koran: "Here is the fate of those who fight Allah and his messenger: you will put them to death or you will make them suffer the torture of the cross; you will cut their hands and their feet alternately. They will be driven from the country" (Sura 5:33)."

" "Do not display cowardice, and do not call the infidels to peace when you are superior to them" (Sura 47:35)."

TROP it is not.

[stuartcr]

Maybe it's because the ones that are doing the beheadings, are not true followers of Islam, but just say they are. Not everyone that says they are a follower of a religion, really are. Many that call themselves Christions, really aren't, because they support abortion. Just like with guns...it's not the religion that kills, it's the people....

[1 spark]

RE: "Just like with guns...it's not the religion that kill, it's the people...."

People act in accordance with their belief system. Islam encourages the conversion...and if that doesn't work...the MURDER of those who believe differently. Islam teaches that it is ok to lie. Yes, there are so called "good Muslims" who ARE right with God. But really, those "good Muslims", who disagree with, or passively ignore, the reality of what is taught in the Koran...are not true Muslims at all. Unfortunately though, all too often, for Muslims who are not comfortable with the intolerance (and other aberations) of their religion, it is not easy or safe to leave (or even question) Islam.

Find out more about the religion of Islam at these sites...from those who have left and/or are trying to leave:

http://faithfreedom.org

http://apostatesofislam.com

[stuartcr]

How do you know what a good Muslim is, and what isn't? Are you a Muslim? If not, would you want a Muslim explaining what a good Christian is or isn't? What about the passages in the Muslim writings, that do not encourage violence? Are they good Muslims that obey those parts, or bad?...it's the individuals

[1 spark]

RE: How do you know what a good Muslim is, and what isn't?


In a previous post, you stated the following:

"Maybe it's because the ones that are doing the beheadings, are not true followers of Islam, but just say they are. Not everyone that says they are a follower of a religion, really are."

I believe there are so called "good Muslims" in this world, who are right with God...because their hearts and actions are right with God. They face each day like millions of other good people...good Christians,(good Catholics, good Protestants, good Mormons, good Jehova's Witnesses) good Jews, good Hindus, good Buddhists, good agnostics, good athiests. They are good, honest, caring, giving, loving, righteous, responsible, productive human beings. These good, so called Muslims, are not "true Muslims" because they choose to deny or ignore those oft repeated 'uncomfortable' passages of the Koran. Admittedly, most don't have much choice but to deny or ignore, since Islam allows NO FREEDOM to question orleave the faith. Here is an excerpt from the first page of http://www.apostatesofislam.com/main.htm :

"We were taught NEVER TO QUESTION the truth of Islam and to believe in Allah and his messenger with blind faith. We were told that Allah would forgive all sins BUT THE SIN OF DISBELIEF. (Quran 4:48 and 4:116). WE COMMITTED THE ULTIMATE SIN OF THINKING AND QUESTIONED THE BELIEF that was imposed on us and we came to realize that far from being a religion of truth, Islam is a hoax, it is hallucination of a sick mind and nothing but lies and deceits."


If, by chance, you think that those who are MURDERING innocent people are not following what is in the Koran, you need to read up on Islam. Islam has an agenda to rule the world through any means necessary to that end. Jews don't proselytize because they think the good of all nations are right with God. Yeah the Christians want everyone to worship Jesus...but the good book doesn't support MURDERING outsiders if they refuse. The Koran advocates MURDER to convert outsiders to Islam.

My point was that so called good Muslims (as described above) aren't true Muslims. To be a true Muslim, you have to accept what is in the Koran...not just bits and pieces.

I am not a Muslim. I was raised Christian. I pray to the same God to whom Jesus prayed. I work hard to live my life according to the teachings of Jesus...and the 10 Commandments. However, since i do not believe in the trinity...and other teachings of the Constantinian church...most do not consider me a true "Christian". I can live with that.

[stuartcr]

What about the parts of the Koran that do not preach violence and evil? Are those that follow those parts, not good Muslims? are you only a good Muslim if you follow the evil teachings? If a religions teaches stuff that appears to be contradictory, how do you tell if someone is a true follower or not?

[ArmedNReady]

Anyone can put into print anything they want about what Islam is. But the facts, tha actions and rantings of Muslims, speak the truth. Islam is not a religion. It is a terrorist cult bent on destroying all who do not bow down to it. Sorry, but the arguement that Islam is a religion of peace cannot be supported with ANY facts.

[1 spark]

No offense, but i can't help but wonder if you are just trying to play word games here, while avoiding the fact that Islam, depite some nice reverent verses, advocates pure evil, as a means to their end goal. Go back and reread what i wrote in reply #14. Also, have you gone to the linked websites i posted? Read some of the articles, the testimonials, and the bb forums. They are quite enlightening, especially to those who want to make believe that Islam is a "religion of peace."

You seem to want to ignore the reality of what Islam advocates...and focus on who is or is not a "good Muslim". A "good Muslim" in my eyes, is an entirely different animal than a "good Muslim" in the eyes of a someone who believes every word of the Koran. There are pleny of "good Muslims" (as i described) however the religion of Islam is a religion of intolerance, hate, terror, and war. Truly "good Muslims" either deny or ignore that fact. They ignore or deny that Islam is a religion rife with evil because they are not free to question or point out such evil. So even though there are probably plenty of "good Muslims", Islam, because of what is written in the Koran, remains the enemy of a civilized, FREE world.

RE: If a religions teaches stuff that appears to be contradictory, how do you tell if someone is a true follower or not?

Heck, have you ever read the religion threads here? There are all kinds of people who think they've got the one true way to God based on their interpretation of scripture...and everyone else is missing the boat due to their blindness. Each group seems to think it is the true follower of the true religion....with the right sabbath, the right rituals, the right calendar etc... IMO, it doesn't matter who is a true follower of what religion. All that matters is that they promote good, and reject/fight evil. Islam advocates and justifies evil(murdering innocents) to meet its end goal. Christianity and Judaism do not advocate the murder of innocents for any reason whatsoever.

Perhaps a better question would be, if a religion promotes EVIL (such as hate, lies, murder, oppression, intolerance, terror and war) for the sake of global conversion and dominion, what kind of religion is it?

[stuartcr]

I have never said that I think Islam is a religion of peace...I have stated that there are many teachings in that religion. Many appear contradictory, in that some advocate violence, and some don't. I just do not believe that it is right to blame all Muslims for what is happening, just as it is not right to blame any group, religious or ethnic, for what individuals do. If every Muslim was a terrorist bomber, I would agree, but that is not the case.

Personally, I do not care who considers themselves a true believer of anything.