Posted on 11/04/2004 9:00:40 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator
Mencken came from a time, not yet abandoned by the left, when all the world was thought explained by Darwin, Freud and Marx. He only got around to discounting Marx.
A man of his time, he was misanthropic, not just anti-semitic. At his core was the belief that no panacea exists for the world's ills, and that politicians and preachers who claim so are contemptible frauds.
He was personally mild and generous and had a circle of friends that was mostly Jewish! He also devoted a lot of personal time to encouraging black writers.
And, btw, my mother's last name was Menken and my first two initials are H. L. !
your personal attack wasnt neccessary! I was asking a simple question with NO MOTIVE and you go on a rant. Also, you probably be Catholic and a communist.
sorry. took your comment out of context i guess.
Thanks for the info. Too bad ZC wasn't so polite!
I don't understand this. I am utterly anti communist. Marx is the FATHER of it. Marx's father, and mother, were not just Jewish (the father, for economic reasons, cast it off (Adam Perlman's dad also rejected his jewishness interestingly). BOTH parents were from famous lines of Talmudic Scholars.
Marx was an antisemite b/c of his view of how a subset of Jews used money to further 'capitalism'. What I don't understand is why the impact of the Talmudic parents of Karl Marx gets no attention whatsoever to explain the root of his messianic desire to REPLACE the Talmud w/ his own religious tradition. Can you please help me understand this univeral treatment?
You'd have to ask ZC specifically as to his reasons, but your assertations about hating Christianity is pure nonsense.
In general Jews observe a prohibition against destroying (erasing) God's name. Destroying, not writing, though destruction is an issue easily forseen if writing in a casual context on durable material. You'll get disagreement about the internet, but many (most) Rabbis consider the internet a non-permanent format, thus not subject to the prohibitions. Others would anticipate the possibility that neophyte might print out the thread, and later destroy it, a forseeable act to be avoided.
I can't speak for ZC, but I'd presume he extends this honor to the spelling of Christianity as well.
These allegations of hatred and allusions to profanity are ludicrous.
I'm not sure there's a factual basis to credit his dad's conversion to the necessity of securing employment (I think he was a lawyer), though it was quite common at the time. In any case there's no indication that Karl, baptised and raised as a Lutheran, felt anything but contempt for Judiasm. Or that he had any knowledge of or respect for his grandparents (I'll leave the parents out, in limbo) faith. While I'm aware of the popularity of casting communism as a religion, I'm doubt he viewed himself as replacing Judiasm or Christianity with his new faith, rather casting aside the false values of those faiths. I don't see any Talmudic connection, nor messianic desires at all.
And, has been pointed out before, Marx certainly wasn't a Marxist.
Or maybe there is the occasional claim that Jewish Oral Tradition (unknown to chr*stianity) makes the text mean something radically different than what it seems to on the surface, despite the importance of peshat (the plain sense) to all the great commentators and despite the fact that chr*stianity was governed universally by its own oral tradition until Luther . . . and that the heretical Qara'im (a Jewish sect that rejected the oral tradition and rabbinic authority) invented "protestantism" before any chr*stian did.
And incidentally, why are the "reform," "conservative," "reconstructionist," "progressive," ad nauseum, "branches of Judaism" treated as though they accepted the Oral Law or rabbinic authority when they are even more radical than the Qara'im in their rejection of it?
Astonishing idea, the first protestants being the fellows of the 'Way'...
"I don't see any Talmudic connection, nor messianic desires at all."
Ok; you don't see these connections. They loom pretty big to me, but perhaps my frame of reference is limited.
A variety of sources has shaped my opinion of Marx, esp P. Johnson's Intellectuals.
Bottom line: what was the engine within Marx to create the 'scientific' philosphy now known as Marxism. Do you have a link that basically explains who Marx is from your perspective?
I'm not offended enough ... where's the link?
LOL! Good One!
Zionist got banned for all that abrasive stuff he wrote.
Oh. So I see that he did indeed...
fwiw, there was a time long ago when I heard the word 'Jew' and associated it w/ the originators of communism. The fact is my information at that time was limited. Gramsci is basically a Marx competitor, and he is not Jewish (I think), though a far worse creature.
So, I know that Marx was Jewish. I know that his daughters, all of them that were grown, killed themselves. I know he never acknowledged his bastard son, the only one who survived into adulthood, Helen Demuth offspring. Helen, an unpaid servant of the Marx household. (I wonder what Henry's offspring are up to?).
I know Ayn Rand was too; and that she had an open marriage, no kid, and no kids are in her novels.
I know Jesus was too.
I now know also how to become a Jew if I want, and that it is possible (as long as the rabbi I approach believes I'm sincere, after he first tells me to get lost 3 times), even though my mother is not jewish (I think) (though she would be readily acceptable w/i self-hating Jewish circles - she teaches evolution at her schoool with gusto).
My point is that religion, an odd word, but adequate if you study its roots meanings, is sufficient to describe the followers of commununism. For if anything, they are very predictable.
Now, this idea that catholicism=national socialism is a total myth ... that's new to me. More FREEPER originated homework is now in front of me..
Thanks. Sensible explanation. I withdraw and apoliogise, as they say at the Parliament.
"If you don't hate, or loath, or think the Christianity is wrong, why to spell it with the asterix (Chr*stianity) - exactly like polite people spell f*ck?"
How about in the jewish tradition of not taking the lords name in vain? It seems so obvious I wonder why you dont see it?
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