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To: Land of the Irish; ultima ratio; AAABEST; thor76; Wessex; Tantumergo; gbcdoj

Guess who's next in line to become an Irish cardinal?
Of course, even if the pope does decide to honor this dissident as on numerous previous occasions, it probably won't be as bad as the elevation of German abortion-rights activist Lehmann to the sacred college of cardinals.


3 posted on 11/17/2004 4:45:21 PM PST by AskStPhilomena
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To: AskStPhilomena

You are correct in stating that Ireland has become very anti-Catholic.........and in less then a dozen years. There was a saying some time back that TV ruined Ireland. I would say that its is MTV which ruined the morals of the young there.

But the rot had set in long ago. The land of saints is now an isle of pagans and public sinners. Very few of the young go to mass.......many of them want nothing to do with the Catholic church, religion in general, nor JPII in particular. They hate him - and will tell you so if asked! Why? Because he "stands in the way of human freedom".

Freedom.......to sin as you please? Perhaps that is at the root of it.

But Ireland had problems before. Sadly its Catholicism was only skin deep - cultural, not deeply spiritual. Yes there were many saintly humble people there. But they are either dead now, or represent only a tiny minority.

The Gay issue? Sadly for Ireland.......corrupted by paganistic modern music and its messages, all too many young Irish are coming out of the closet. 20-30 years ago too many of them went into the seminaries.....and hence they have the sex abuse crisis. Or more accurately the gay priest syndrome, which has corrupted all areas of the Church universal where it is to be found.

Some on this thread have asked why......why do we have a gay priest crisis. Because the Church has experienced a hostile corporate takeover. First by Marxist minded seminarians in the 40s and 50s. Then they recruited homosexuals.....who in turn recruited more homosexuals. We are overrun with them. They have been at the key positions of power for some 30 years.

So of course, they are not going to purge their own kind.

But as others have indicated, the answer lies with the people. They must rise up and protest. Refuse to give a penny in the plate to support corrupt pastors & Bishops.

Why has this not happened? Ever tried to get somebody up off their sofa and spur them to action?

More to the point, most Catholics are either blissfully unaware......have been lulled to sleep both intellectually and spiritually. Most of those who do genuinely care, have left the Novus Ordo church. Most of the ones who have stayed within it are fast asleep.


9 posted on 11/17/2004 6:24:51 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux! St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: AskStPhilomena

Lehmann was wrong to be disobedient to the Pope (actually I thought that would be something you would praise Lehmann for, since you think nothing of being disobedient to lawful authority yourself) in not shutting down the Catholic consultation centers on abortion, but that doesn't make him an abortion-rights activist. he might have sincerely believed that the centers might have convinced some people not to have abortions.


13 posted on 11/17/2004 6:38:38 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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