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Bishop Bernard Fellay, "No Deal with Rome in Sight"
The Remnant Newspaper | November 15, 2004 | Thomas A. Drolesky

Posted on 11/19/2004 5:42:24 PM PST by Land of the Irish

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Bishop Fellay went on to say that an archbishop in the curia had told him, "Don't make an agreement with Rome now. The time is not right. The Pope is no longer governing the Church. We need you to stay where you are and to stand firm in defense of the Faith."

Bishop Fellay noted that Bishop Rifan has defended his apparent concelebration at an offering of the Novus Ordo Missae in Brazil by saying that he, Bishop Rifan, had extended his hands but did not actually mouth the words at the moment that the other bishops recited aloud the words of consecration i.e., "He did not inhale".

1 posted on 11/19/2004 5:42:24 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Andrew65; AniGrrl; apologia_pro_vita_sua; attagirl; BearWash; ...

Ping


2 posted on 11/19/2004 5:45:46 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
Oh come on. It all depends on the meaning of "is", er, concelebrate.

Great post, thanks.

3 posted on 11/19/2004 5:50:07 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Land of the Irish

The Novous Ordo mission is to crush the Ancient Catholic Faith.


4 posted on 11/19/2004 5:51:20 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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Bishop Fellay went on to say that an archbishop in the curia had told him, "Don't make an agreement with Rome now. The time is not right. The Pope is no longer governing the Church. We need you to stay where you are and to stand firm in defense of the Faith."
5 posted on 11/19/2004 5:59:10 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah (Freepmail if you would like on or off my traditional Catholic ping list)
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Stand firm. Take no prisoners!


6 posted on 11/19/2004 6:02:08 PM PST by MarineMomJ (The truth only hurts when it's true.)
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To: Land of the Irish

The SSPX is the living embodiment of the Church as it existed before the present debacle. It's hard not to recognize the work of the Holy Spirit behind this.


7 posted on 11/19/2004 6:18:17 PM PST by ultima ratio
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The Novous Ordo mission is to crush the Ancient Catholic Faith.

They have almost succeeded.

8 posted on 11/19/2004 6:22:20 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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The SSPX is the living embodiment of the Church as it existed before the present debacle.

I'm glad to see Drolesky writing this. For the past couple years it seems that he has been dancing around the issue of the SSPX, gradually discovering Tradition for himself, but only more slowly coming to the realization that the SSPX has been there ahead of him all along. It's like climbing a new mountain and finding someone else's flag already planted there, and then climbing the next mountain and finding the same thing, and so forth. At some point shouldn't you wake up to the realization that you're not as much of a pioneer as you thought, and that maybe you should find out who is this person who has been one step ahead of you all along the way?

9 posted on 11/19/2004 6:40:19 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: Grey Ghost II

The Church is within YOU. As long as YOU live the True Catholic Faith will Live. Keep the laws and traditions of Pre Vatican II.


10 posted on 11/19/2004 6:53:29 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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At some point shouldn't you wake up to the realization that you're not as much of a pioneer as you thought, and that maybe you should find out who is this person who has been one step ahead of you all along the way?


11 posted on 11/19/2004 7:18:21 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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"Bishop Bernard Fellay, 'No Deal with Rome in Sight'"

Good news! Now if only the dissenting liberals would likewise break from the Church! But no, the liberals keep pretending to be Catholics, kind of like some of the SSPX'ers.


12 posted on 11/19/2004 7:53:14 PM PST by SausageDog
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Good news!

It certainly is good news. The SSPX continues to uphold the teachings of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

As far as I'm concerned, you and New Rome can continue to play hug-a-mullah, kiss-a-koran, hug-a-hindu, bow to buddha, kiss-a-koffi.

I don't lose sleep over it.

I'm Catholic, not Novus.

13 posted on 11/19/2004 8:17:25 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
He reminded his listeners that we are living in the exact moment that God has known from all eternity that we would be alive and that His ineffable grace is sufficient for us to weather the storms besetting the Barque of Peter.

Thanks Bishop Fellay, I do need to be reminded of that at times.

14 posted on 11/19/2004 8:19:18 PM PST by murphE (fight terrorism in the womb END ABORTION NOW)
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To: Land of the Irish

I am not unsympathetic to the SSPX give that I attend the Traditional Mass celebrated with the indult. It is ine thing to recognize the problems with the hierarchy, icluding in Rome. It is one thing to resist error. But there is a line between resistance and disobedience that seems to be being crossed.


15 posted on 11/19/2004 8:27:53 PM PST by Pecavi
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But there is a line between resistance and disobedience that seems to be being crossed.

Are you aware of the errors of "blind obedience"?

16 posted on 11/19/2004 8:30:54 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish

LOI, the sad thing is most people under the age of 40-45 have never experienced real Catholicism. Those who by the grace of God get the chance understand what we have now are two different religions.

We get to choose the Catholicism of 19+ centuries or the new Catholicism of 40 years. We must choose between true obedience to God or false obedience to men promoting error.


17 posted on 11/19/2004 8:43:00 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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The SSPX is not only thoroughly Catholic, but it is a scandal to fake Catholics everywhere who feel in its insistence on the faith, a repremand.


18 posted on 11/19/2004 9:24:53 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Pecavi

No, there is never an obligation to obey a command which does harm to souls--not even if issued by a popular pope.

"Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who aggresses the body, it is also licit to resist one who aggresses the souls or who disturbs civil order, or, above all, one who attempts to destroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and preventing his will from being executed. It is not licit, however, to judge, punish, or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." (St. Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, doctor of the Church; De Romano Pontifice, 2,29)


19 posted on 11/19/2004 9:30:12 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
none want to examine the root cause of the crisis in the Church: the inroads made by Modernism in the Church's liturgy and in her teaching documents.

Makes me wonder how a "deal" can ever be reached under these conditions.

Thanks for the ping, great article!

20 posted on 11/20/2004 1:08:08 AM PST by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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