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To: bornacatholic; Sean O L; marshmallow; murphE; maximillian; Robert Drobot; OptimusPrime5; ...
*accrd to Pope St Pius X, you need to come home

What another arrogant statement from you to take it upon yourself to judge who is outside the Church.

Bornacatholic, SOL,marshmallow:

For your edification:

On Papalotry

64 posted on 11/30/2004 6:07:43 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
Before I even click on the link, I see the word "papalotry".

This is a word taken from the lexicon of fundamentalist protestants.

When you read statements like this:

Convoking Vatican II was a personal decision of John XXIII. He may have thought God was telling him to call it, but who knows? He has no special charism that guarantees he would recognize such a decision as coming from the Holy Ghost with theological certitude.

Ask yourself one question; "could a protestant happily sign off on this statement?". If the answer is "yes", then pause for a moment and think.

How does Marra know what special charisms John XXIII had? Perhaps Marra himself has a special charism that enables him to judge the Pope's charisms.

Furthermore, Marra likes to make statements such as: "And we Catholics are never obliged to believe that a given command, or given decision of anyone, including the Pope, is necessarily that of the Holy Ghost."

OK. Key word; "necessarily". There is a big difference between this, however, and saying that a given command or decision is definitely not that of the Holy Ghost, which is what Marra wants to say and what in fact is said all day, every day, by those in the traditionalist movement.

The idea that "only when the Church invokes its infallible authority are we compelled to pay attention, the rest of the time my opinion is as good as the Pope's" is a seriously flawed one and it opens the door to exactly the sort of contestation that surrounds the Pope's work and teaching today. This is protestantism disguised as the keeping of tradition.

Sorry, Dr. Marra. The Pope does have a special charism to guide the Barque of Peter, which you don't.

Who the dickens is William Marra anyway? Apart from a guy with an internet connection just like me?

68 posted on 12/01/2004 5:54:41 AM PST by marshmallow
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