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To: royalcello
Not exactly. Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, and Charles Coulombe would be more like it.

Add to that list virtually every pope upto Pius XII - Leo XII and Pius X were particularly strong monarchists, St. Thomas Aquinas, Plato, Aristotle, Hilaire Belloc, Christopher Dawson, JRR Tolkien... the list is endless - and all but the early pagan philsophers, devoutly Catholic. I can see you guys are great readers of Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore, Moveon.org

Leftism is rabidly anti-monarchial, it is the left in every European country, Australia and Canada that is trying to abolish the remaining monarchies. Monarchism is the essence of conservatism - although like Kuehnelt-Leddihn I prefer "man of the right" to conservative. It is only conservatism in America that is fundamentally opposed to monarchy, because it has it roots in Whiggery. Conservatives in nearly every other country in the world are monarchists.

80 posted on 12/12/2004 6:09:49 PM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: kjvail
"Add to that list virtually every pope upto Pius XII - Leo XII and Pius X were particularly strong monarchists, St. Thomas Aquinas, Plato, Aristotle, Hilaire Belloc, Christopher Dawson, JRR Tolkien... the list is endless - and all but the early pagan philsophers, devoutly Catholic..."

So true. Too true to argue against. Every last one of the greatest of the greats understood the way things are in regards to social government.

84 posted on 12/12/2004 6:14:09 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: kjvail
I can't believe I forgot to mention Tolkien! He is of course one of my primary ideological inspirations. I was actually planning to watch the supplements to the Two Towers DVD tonight before this thread got so active...getting ready for Tuesday's release of ROTK!

Yeah, that J.R.R. Tolkien sure was some leftist, all right...

Tolkien was, in modern jargon, 'right wing' in that he honoured his monarch and his country and did not believe in the rule of the people; but he opposed democracy simply because he believed that in the end his fellow men would not benefit from it. He once wrote: "I am not a 'democrat', if only because 'humility' and equality are spiritual principles corrupted by the attempt to mechanise and formalise them, with the result that we get not universal smallness and humility, but universal bigness and pride, till some Orc gets hold of a Ring of Power -- and then we get and are getting slavery".

"My political beliefs lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs) – or to 'unconstitutional' Monarchy ... Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers." (1943)

89 posted on 12/12/2004 6:26:34 PM PST by royalcello
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