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To: kjvail

I don't see democratic rights as evils, but as goods. They promote freedoms. I see nothing wrong as a matter of my Catholic faith in seeing value in popular government and human rights protections. An autocratic monarchy would not allow the voters to throw the bastards out if there is something seriously wrong, which does sometimes providentially happen in a democracy. A constitutional monarchy is of course a very different story, and not objectionable if it is consistent with a democratic regime and protection of human rights. I would concentrate on specific evils, like abortion. To jettison the entire US Constitution just because of specific evils would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and is the wrong diagnosis for the cause, in my opinion. And in any event, the deposit of faith does not require a specific form of government, and the Catholic Church can and has coexisted with a number of differing forms of governments down through the centuries. Christ himself acknowledged the separate spheres of Church and state by the rendering to Caesar and God statement.


90 posted on 12/12/2004 6:27:03 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
A Catholic analysis of America and her Constitution.

Variations on a Theme, Op 45 democratic rights as evils, but as goods

The Church has only very recently adopted the language of rights - She has always rather spoken of duties

An autocratic monarchy would not allow the voters to throw the bastards out if there is something seriously wrong, which does sometimes providentially happen in a democracy

Really? Remind me, when was the last President removed from office? Nixon resigned remember, it is doubtful he would have been convicted of anything. But even if he was that'd be one out of 46. We couldn't even get rid an admitted perjurer - why? Because he was too popular !! How quickly we forget. What was the argument Democrat (and some Republican!) senators use for giving Clinton a pass? Oh ya.. it was "twarting the will of the people".

"Your people sir, are a beast!"

Alexander Hamiliton (I think, might have been Madison)

and is the wrong diagnosis for the cause, in my opinion

And you are entitled to it, lets stop the allegations of disloyalty because our opinion differs.

And in any event, the deposit of faith does not require a specific form of government

A true statement, so shall we retract the statement about being "disloyal" to the Pope?

The fact is Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and George Washington were not Doctors of the Church or even saints and the US Constituion is not divinely inspired scripture. It is a flawed document based on the principles of Freemasonry.

97 posted on 12/12/2004 6:40:33 PM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: Unam Sanctam
I don't see democratic rights as evils, but as goods. They promote freedoms.

Freedom to "choose" to kill one's child? Freedom of men to sodomize each other? Freedom to allow the governmmnet to steal nearly 50% of one's income? Freedom is great!

108 posted on 12/12/2004 6:57:21 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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