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Evolution Would Empty the Christmas Manger
Catholic Exchange ^ | December 25, 2004

Posted on 12/26/2004 10:49:06 AM PST by NYer

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To: mtbopfuyn

"But, we weren't there at the time and I was only commenting on the misinterpretation of the word, "virgin"."

I read the same articles on MSNBC(I believe) that you apparently did. The argument is specious, about interpretation of "virgin", and should not have been repeated. The article was a deliberate attack on a cornerstone of Christianity. In Christ Jesus wasn't "born of a virgin" by the miraculous power of God, then he is just another man. If he didn't live a sinless life, then he is just another man. If he wasn't "God in Flesh" that was crucified as an atonement for Adam's sin, then he is just another man. If he wasn't resurected from the dead to prove he had made atonement, then he is just another man. However, I believe HE is the I AM of the Moses, and He is indeed God with us. To me He is Lord. I also believe that some day, "Every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." This will be by God's working and not man's use of force.

I don't know what you think or believe. But, unless someone human holds a gun to your head and trys to force Christianity on you, then please leave Christians alone and don't participate in an effort to undermine their faith. It isn't hurting you, or others, that some of us have faith that transcends what we can physically/intellectually grasp or scientifically prove.


21 posted on 12/26/2004 2:18:59 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: NYer

"We have more in common than you imagine ;-D"

Amen and Amen again!


22 posted on 12/26/2004 2:22:00 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Of course most folks prefer not to admit that during the centuries and various translations, the word "virgin" has gone through many meanings. The original Hebrew word for today's "virgin" merely meant a woman who had not yet married.

Scripture has this nasty habit of continually refuting skeptics because of the way it always provides another angle to a story which really boxes in something that realistically had very little wiggle room to begin with. (Not that skeptics aren't above trying to manufacture wiggle room to push a point of view of course.) The above passage should make it clear what Mary's frame of mind was as she considered the possibility of being pregnant - how could that be possible since she had never been intimate with a man? Just in case you are wondering about that word 'know' which is used in the King James Version, here is another reference for you:

Genesis 4:1 'And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.'

25 posted on 12/26/2004 7:29:46 PM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: TonyRo76

"I'm just grateful to God for giving us hearts that can accept and appreciate His astounding grace, even if we can't ever comprehend it. What an amazing God we serve!"

Amen! I like the way you talk. In the words of John Newton - "Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me. I once was lost, but now I am found, was blind but now I see. Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear, and grace my fears relieved. How precious did that grace appear, the hour I first believed."


26 posted on 12/26/2004 7:32:56 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: NYer
As my father has often said: "There was only one perfect man and they crucified him".

Not to quibble but there was actually two perfect men (and one perfect women) - Jesus Christ, Adam and Eve (until of course the latter two sinned and got booted out of the Garden of Eden).

27 posted on 12/26/2004 7:36:41 PM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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OOOps... Sorry but my last post probably won't make sense without this which was supposed to be included:

Luke 1: 34 'Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.'.

28 posted on 12/26/2004 7:42:06 PM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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