Posted on 12/27/2004 8:47:38 AM PST by RaceBannon
I think it has to be brought up. Many skeptics disbelieve Noah's Flood was worldwide, or that it was not destructive enough.
THE GLOBAL FLOOD OF NOAH'S DAY
- IMPACT No. 311 May 1999
by John D. Morris, Ph.D.*
© Copyright 2004 Institute for Creation Research. All Rights Reserved
Acceptance of old-earth ideas, including the Big Bang, progressive creation, theistic evolution, the framework hypothesis, etc., necessarily implies downgrading the Flood of Noah's day from worldwide in scope to merely one of local extent. For example, Dr. Hugh Ross (an aggressive advocate of billions of years for the earth's age) vigorously denies the global flood. He calls it "universal," covering all that Noah could see, but not the entire earth. This insistence does not come from sound Biblical exegesis, but from the incompatibility of a global flood with old-earth thinking, which he accepts. The evidence for great ages is thought to be found in the rock and fossil records of the earth's crust. These are interpreted by the principle of uniformitarianism, that "the present is the key to the past." Since geologic processes happen slowly today, they argue, the extensive rock and fossil records must have taken great lengths of time to form.
However, a flood of the proportions described in Genesis would have resulted in vast amounts of erosion and redepositing of sediments, fossilization of plants and animals, volcanism, and redistribution of radioisotopes. If one denies the global flood as a historic event, he might use the Grand Canyon/Colorado River system to "prove" great ages, when, in reality, the Canyon demonstrates flooding processes with rates, scales, and intensities eclipsing anything observed today. Thus the misunderstood evidence of old ages, is actually strong evidence for the Flood. In reality, the global flood and recent creation doctrines are synonymous concepts, forcing Dr. Ross and others to twist Scripture, making it say something it clearly does not. To document that the Bible specifically teaches the global flood should be sufficient to convince a true believer in the authority of the Bible.
Biblical Arguments for a Global Flood
Keep in mind that local flood/old earth advocates postulate the earth before the flood as essentially identical to today's earth.
The depth and duration of the Flood The flood waters covered the mountains to a depth of at least the draft of Noah's Ark (Genesis 7:19,20). Today's mountains in the Ararat region include Mount Ararat which rises to 17,000 feet in elevation. The flood lasted for a year, peaking 150 days after it started (7:11, 8:3,4), then it began to abate. A year-long mountain-covering flood is not a local flood.
The Physical Causes for the Flood. The Bible explains that the breaking open of "all the fountains of the great deep" and the "windows of heaven" (7:11) were the primary causes. The "deep" is the ocean; thus the "great deep" could hardly be the cause of a limited local flood. The "windows" seem to refer to the "waters above the (atmospheric) firmament" (1:7). These were global causes, producing a global effect.
The Need for an Ark Noah was given many years of warning, long enough to walk anywhere on earth. The animals also would have lived globally and so could have migrated anywhere. There was no need for an Ark if the flood was local.
The Ark's size, big enough to carry two (or seven for some) of each land-dwelling, air-breathing animal, testifies for a global flood. Building such a huge ship for a local flood for which there was ample warning would be ludicrous.
Destruction of All Mankind The flood's primary purpose was to destroy sinful mankind. While the earth's preflood population is not given, reasonable assumptions based on Biblical data for average family size, life spans, and age of parent at time of first-born yield a population far in excess of the maximum mesopotamian population. The earth was "filled with violence" (6:11-13), and while this may have included animal violence, it certainly included human violence. An earth filled with violence would necessitate an earth filled with people. Only a global flood to accomplish its primary purpose.
Not only were violent inhabitants under condemnation, the earth itself was to be destroyed (6:13). The word for "earth" was the same word as used in the creation account (1:1). Surely it means the planet, not just a local area.
Promise of No More Floods. At the end of the flood, God promised that there would never again be such a flood (9:15). But there have been many floods, even regional floods, especially in mesopotamia, since Noah's day. If this was merely a local flood, then God broke His promise, and the rainbow covenant means nothing.
The Testimony of Jesus Christ Christ compared the days immediately prior to His second coming to the days prior to the flood. He reminded us that "the flood came and destroyed them all" (Luke 17:27). The coming judgment will be similarly extensive. If the flood in Noah's day was local, people living outside the area survived, even though they, too, were sinners. This gives great hope to end-time sinners. Will they be able to escape the coming fiery judgment on sin?
The Testimony of Peter Peter also wrote of the coming judgment of the entire heavens and earth (II Peter 3:10-12). He based his argument on the historical facts that the creation was of the entire earth (v.5) and that the flood overflowed the entire earth (v.6), causing it to perish. If the flood was only local, does this imply that only a portion of the earth will "melt with fervent heat" (v.10)?
Furthermore, the entire creation will be fully renewed, replaced by "a new heavens and a new earth" (v.13). The local flood idea produces theological nonsense.
8. Many Expressions of the Flood's Global Nature Hugh Ross rightly claims that the word "all" can sometimes be used in a limited sense (e.g., Genesis 41:57); thus the terms used in the flood account might be similarly limited. But proper Biblical exegesis involves discerning the meaning of words in their immediate context. A passage cannot be interpreted by vaguely possible meanings. An honest look at the flood account uncovers an abundance of terms and phrases, each of which is best understood in a global sense. Taken together as forming the context for each other, the case is overwhelming. A listing with brief descriptions follow:
Genesis 6—"Multiply on the face of the earth" (v.1). "Wickedness of man was great in the earth" (v.5). "Made man on the earth" (v.6). "Destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth—both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air" (v.7; not just herds of domesticated animals as claimed). "The earth also was corrupt before God" (v.11; how much can God observe?). "The earth was filled with violence" (v.11); "God looked upon the earth" (v.12). "All flesh . . . upon the earth [not just humans]" (v.12). "The end of all flesh" (v.13). "The earth is filled with violence" (v.13). "Destroy them with the earth" (v.13). "A flood of waters upon the earth" (v.17). "To destroy all flesh" (v.17). "Wherein is the breath of life" (v.17; not just domesticated animals). "From under heaven" (v.17; not just the atmosphere above Mesopotamia). "Everything that is in the earth shall die" (v.17; animals at a distance would have been unaffected by a local flood). "Every living thing of all flesh" (v.19; couldn't be just Noah's herds). "To keep them alive" (v.19). "Fowls . . . to keep them alive" (v.20; birds could certainly survive a local flood).
Genesis 7—"To keep seed alive" (v.3). "Upon the face of all the earth" (v.3). "Every living substance that I have made" (v.4). "Destroy from off the face of the earth" (v.4). "The flood of waters was upon the earth" (v.6). "Because of the waters of the flood" (v.7). "The waters of the flood were upon the earth" (v.10). "All the fountains" (v.11; all, not limited to local geysers or volcanos). "Of the great deep" (v.11; the deep ocean). "Windows of heaven" (v.11; a worldwide source implies a worldwide effect). "Rain was upon the earth" (v.12). "Forty days and forty nights" (v.12; no local flood would do this). "Every beast, . . . all the cattle . . ." (v.14). "Every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth" (v.14; did Noah need to take rats and moles and snakes for them to survive a local flood?). "Every fowl . . . every bird of every sort" (v.14). "Wherein is the breath of life" (v.15; applies to animals worldwide). "The waters increased" (v.17). "Bare up the Ark" (v.17). "Lift up above the earth" (v.17). "Waters prevailed" (v.18; similar to a military conquest). "Increased greatly" (v.18). "Upon the earth" (v.18; not just upon the valley). "The face of the waters" (v.18; compare with the world ocean in Genesis 1:2). "The waters prevailed exceedingly" (v.19). "Upon the earth" (v.19). "All the high hills" (v.19) "That were under the whole heaven" (v.19; all that were within God's sight). "Were covered" (v.19). "Fifteen cubits upward" (v.20; the draft of the thirty cubit Ark). "Did the waters prevail" (v.20). "The mountains were covered" (v.20; same word in Hebrew as high hills [v.19]). "All flesh died" (v.21). "That moved upon the earth" (v.21). "Fowl . . . cattle . . . beast . . . creeping things" (v.21). "That creepeth upon the earth" (v.21; most animals are small creeping things). "Upon the earth" (v.21). "And every man" (v.21). "In whose nostrils was the breath of life" (v.22; all air-breathing animals). "All that was in the dry land" (v.22). "Every living substance was destroyed" (v.23). "Upon the face of the ground" (v.23). "Man, and cattle, and the creeping things and the fowl of the heaven" (v.23). "They were destroyed from the earth" (v.23). "Noah only remained alive" (v.23). "They that were with him in the Ark" (v.23). "The waters prevailed" (v.25).
Genesis 8—"Every living thing" (v.1). "All the cattle" (v.1). "A wind to pass over the earth" (v.1). "The waters assuaged" (v.1). "The fountains of the deep" (v.2). "The windows of heaven" (v.2). "Were stopped" (v.2). "The rain from heaven was restrained" (v.2; a special rain, not a local storm, for they continue). "The waters returned" (v.3). "From off the earth" (v.3). "The waters were abated" (v.3). "The mountains of Ararat" (v.4; the entire Ararat region is about one mile in elevation, the headwaters of Mesopotamian rivers. Did the Ark float uphill in this "local" flood?). "The waters decreased continually" (v.5). "The tops of the mountains were seen" (v.5; three months later). "The waters were dried up" (v.7). "From off the earth" (v.7; after 40 more days). "To see if the waters were abated" (v.8). "From off the face of the ground" (v.8). "The dove found no rest" (v.9). "The waters were on the face of the whole earth" (v.9). "The waters were abated" (v.11). "From off the earth" (v.11). "The waters were dried up" (v.13). "From off the earth" (v.13). "The face of the earth" (v.13). "Was the earth dried" (v.14). "Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl" (v.19; all of them, not some of them, left the Ark). "Curse the ground" (v.21). "Every living thing" (v.21; promise of no more such floods. Couldn't be a local flood). "While the earth remaineth" (v.22).
Genesis 9—"Be fruitful, and multiply and replenish the earth" (v.1). "Every beast of the earth" (v.2; not just local farm animals). "Every fowl of the air" (v.2). "That moveth upon the earth" (v.2). "All the fishes of the sea" (v.2). "Every moving thing that liveth" (v.3). "Bring forth abundantly in the earth" (v.7). "Establish my covenant" (v.9). "With every living creature" (v.10). "That is with you" (v.10; there were no land-dwelling creatures not included in this covenant). "Fowl, cattle, every beast of the earth" (v.10). "To every beast of the earth" (v.10). "All flesh be cut off" (v.11). "By the waters of a flood" (v.11). "A flood to destroy the earth" (v.11). "Every living creature" (v.12). "Perpetual generations" (v.12). "Between me and the earth" (v.13). "Every living creature" (v.15). "Of all flesh" (v.15). "Waters shall no more become a flood" (v.15). "To destroy all flesh" (v.15). "Every living creature" (v.16). "Of all flesh" (v.16). "That is upon the earth" (v.16). "All flesh" (v.17). "That is upon the earth" (v.17). "The whole earth overspread" (v.19; Noah's descendants are today worldwide. The same term was used to describe the Flood's extent).
It would seem that the Author of Genesis could hardly have been more explicit. Conversely, if the omniscient Author had intended to describe a local flood, He obscured the facts. If words can communicate truth, if God can express Himself clearly, then the Flood was global.
It would seem that only a rank downgrading of Scripture, and/or an unhealthy desire for the approval of unsaved men could lead one to question this doctrine. I would call on my Christian brothers, who choose to hold on to the idea of a local flood and its corollary concept, the old earth, either to return to a God-honoring trust in Scripture, or else to cease using the term "Bible-believing" to describe their position.
* Dr. John Morris is professor of geology and President of ICR.
http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-311.htm
That depends.
was GW alive at the time?
It was his fault, after all </sarcasm>
(Gen 6:1 KJV) And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
(Gen 6:2 KJV) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
(Gen 6:3 KJV) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
(Gen 6:4 KJV) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(Gen 6:5 KJV) And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
(Gen 6:6 KJV) And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
(Gen 6:7 KJV) And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
(Gen 6:8 KJV) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
(Gen 6:9 KJV) These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
(Gen 6:10 KJV) And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
(Gen 6:11 KJV) The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
(Gen 6:12 KJV) And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
(Gen 6:13 KJV) And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
(Gen 6:14 KJV) Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
(Gen 6:15 KJV) And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
(Gen 6:16 KJV) A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
(Gen 6:17 KJV) And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
(Gen 6:18 KJV) But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
(Gen 6:19 KJV) And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
(Gen 6:20 KJV) Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
(Gen 6:21 KJV) And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.
(Gen 6:22 KJV) Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
(Gen 7:1 KJV) And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
(Gen 7:2 KJV) Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
(Gen 7:3 KJV) Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
(Gen 7:4 KJV) For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
(Gen 7:5 KJV) And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
(Gen 7:6 KJV) And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
(Gen 7:7 KJV) And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
(Gen 7:8 KJV) Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
(Gen 7:9 KJV) There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
(Gen 7:10 KJV) And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
(Gen 7:11 KJV) In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
(Gen 7:12 KJV) And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
(Gen 7:13 KJV) In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
(Gen 7:14 KJV) They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
(Gen 7:15 KJV) And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
(Gen 7:16 KJV) And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
(Gen 7:17 KJV) And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
(Gen 7:18 KJV) And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
(Gen 7:19 KJV) And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
(Gen 7:20 KJV) Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
(Gen 7:21 KJV) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
(Gen 7:22 KJV) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
(Gen 7:23 KJV) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
(Gen 7:24 KJV) And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
(Gen 8:1 KJV) And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
(Gen 8:2 KJV) The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
(Gen 8:3 KJV) And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
(Gen 8:4 KJV) And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
(Gen 8:5 KJV) And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
(Gen 8:6 KJV) And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
(Gen 8:7 KJV) And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
(Gen 8:8 KJV) Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
(Gen 8:9 KJV) But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
(Gen 8:10 KJV) And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
(Gen 8:11 KJV) And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf plucked off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
(Gen 8:12 KJV) And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.
(Gen 8:13 KJV) And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
(Gen 8:14 KJV) And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.
(Gen 8:15 KJV) And God spake unto Noah, saying,
(Gen 8:16 KJV) Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee.
(Gen 8:17 KJV) Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.
(Gen 8:18 KJV) And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him:
(Gen 8:19 KJV) Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.
(Gen 8:20 KJV) And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
(Gen 8:21 KJV) And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
(Gen 8:22 KJV) While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
There may be people in southern Asia who know nothing of the rest of the world, and so might think the tsunamis devestated the entire earth.
A literal world-wide flood is not the message of The Flood.
BTW, this was peanuts ~ you want a big flood with lots of incredible tidal waves, even massive standing solitons, you go back to the last major Antarctic meltoff about 14,000 years ago.
Just imagine most of it melting into a large doughnut shaped lake supported on the North shore by residual ice dams.
When that sucker cut loose, it all went. Solitons up to 2 miles high must have been formed, and they would have moved North and scoured continental shorelines as well as all the acreage many miles inland.
Take a look at the open ocean in the Southern Hemisphere. Envision what would happen with a massive tidal wave and soliton process crashing into South America, the North American West Coast, Africa, India, Australia, the islands in the Pacific.
Given that mankind's natural habitat consists of savannah and aluvial areas at the mouth of major rivers, just about all of it would have been destroyed, and the only folks left after that catastrophe would have been the handful who happened to be up in the hills that day!
The draining of Lake Aggasiz was similar in character, but that took place on land ~ a significant percentage of North America was scoured clean.
We were just talking about this over the holidays.
It seems every religion has a "flood story".
I thought that was amazing - and now, this.
Discovery or A&E network had a special on Super Volcanos. 70,000 years ago a super volcano blew in Indonesia. They said Mitochondrial DNA studies showed this event caused the human population to decrease to less than 1100 people worldwide. They never mentioned Noah, but that was the first thing that went through my mind.
Humans tend to live near coasts, and tsunamis happen everywhere. It is neither surprising nor evidence of anything supernatural that flood stories abound.
I agree.
1999 National Geographic Society
Major Climate Change Occurred 5,200 Years Ago: Evidence Suggests That History Could Repeat Itself
I think the rain that caused the big flood was the first time it rained on earth. Somewhere in the Bible it says before the flood, moisture came from the earth--like a mist.
Yes, Gen 2:6 gives us the key clue as to the origin of our oceans and lightweight continents : a 20km to 50km deep layer of wet gravel that fell to the earth from the earth's primordial ring system of planetisimals 4.4 billion years ago. Our tidally captured moon perturbed this early ring system, about equal in mass, out of orbit and these baseball-sized, hydrate-rich chunks then were slowed down in the outer gas tendrils of earth's early atmosphere at perigee, slowly falling as a wet-gravel rain. This layer was then tectonically massaged for .5B years(Gen 2:6) resulting in distinct oceans and "iceberg" continents by 3.9B years ago. The planetisimals that hit the moon were FRIED, thus the same isotope ratios of earth-moon surfaces in the refractory elements. As to noah's flood, the only REAL number that survived the "fish-story" is 15 cubits. A cubit is the length from your elbow to your finger tips, about 18 inches. Thus 15 cubits = about 22 feet deep water. Mt Ararat is higher than 22 feet, yes? So, how to un-tangle this myth? Noah was a PAKISTANI farmer who lived in the delta region of the Indus River which floods irregularly(unlike the nile). He had been flooded out before, thus he built a 3 layer log RAFT, with tent, on a high point in his orchard, tethering it to a tree; so that he could ride out the next river-flood. Along comes a 4 day HURRICANE(cyclone in that part of the world)with a storm surge of 20 feet(the dirty NE quadrant). The 45 ft long, 8 ft wide, 4.5 ft high RAFT gets washed out to sea where the entire earth seems to be covered with WATER, to Noah the surface observer(curvature of the spherical earth). The raft moves around in the great CCW gyre-current of the arabian sea and back onto an outer sand bar and they have to wait for low tide to wade back to the true shore. Noah goes back to business, the RAFT rots away on a PAKISTANI beach 5500 years ago, NOT on Mt Ararat. 7 generations later his illiterate descendents, as goat/sheep herders, jazz up this old family story of sea-survival around a campfire in iraq, a FISH story that gets bigger with each telling... Another 7 generations go by, a 5 year old ABRAM is taught this myth as GOD'S TRUTH. You can convince a 5 year old of ANYTHING, a 95 year old of NOTHING...yes? And now, ala Paul Harvey, you know the rest of the story...
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