Posted on 12/31/2004 10:52:12 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel
I was told the following account this morning 12/31/04, by a close personal friend who works with the priest mentioned below. I offer this solely for the discernment of fellow Catholics, and I'm hoping for further verification of this story. I have met the priest who related this story. He is known in the USA and Rome.
According to this priest, an American woman, A Roman Catholic (who is not publicly known, she is a housewife and lives in the midwest USA) was extremely upset 2 weeks prior to the recent Asian earthquake and tsunamis. The priest who related this story was aware of her fears PRIOR to the events this past week and therefore believes her to have some legitimacy.
According to this priest, this woman "knew" that a massive earthquake and tsunamis were going to strike in Southeast Asia 2 weeks prior to the event. She was so distraught that she pleaded to be taken to Rome to see the Pope to warn him of the impending disaster in Asia. She was taken to Rome, but I'm not sure from what I was told whether she was able to meet with him.
This priest is also aware of what she has seen coming for America. He said it was so horrific that he would not discuss it further. He simply said, "Be ready to go at any moment."
I believe he would not have related these issues if he had not personally known that she had foreknowledge of the recent quake and tsunamis.
Again, I offer this solely for the discernment of fellow Catholics. I'm hoping for further verification of this story, or refutation of same.
St. Johann Tetzel
It would be folly, however, to think that the USA is immune to such disasters, and even greater folly to think we are not deserving of chastisement because of the murder of the innocent and mocking disregard for God's Law that animates this country's pop culture and parts of its government.
"Be ready to go at any moment", like be ready to pack up and move to safety at any moment, or be ready to kiss your a$$ goodbye and meet your master at any moment....
The latter, I assume.
Still be interesting to hear what she had to say about America. I think the priest involved is doing wrong by not repeating the story.
Some rather convincing scenarios include a smaller surviving population.
As far as it being time to go, well, that can happen any second, and is simply the just wage of Sin. To "die to sin" is not possible in this world, at least not for me or anyone I know. To die with the Lord, to rise with the Lord, is not a mere metaphor for some sort of worldly experience. Saint Paul was not talking about some sort of smooch fest no matter what the Liberals say.
Looking forward to Purgatory. No Sin can enter Heaven, and to be finally free from sin is cheap at any price.
I'm a sucker for these stories, but like you, I have never heard of any of them coming true. And it's always afterward we hear that somebody knew about it and tried to warn us - but nobody listened.
And what would we do different anyway? I think we have become jaded to all the catastrophic predictions.
He has more sense. He doesn't want to be ridiculed.
These "ex post facto" revelations that we are suddenly hearing about remind me of those who "knew" that 9/11 was going to happen. Arm-chair prophets emerge after every major disaster.
I agree. Plus I'm cynical and disregard all this nonsense.
Yet, I know this priest, and his work. You would too, as would most Catholics on this forum.
That is the ONLY reason I posted this, knowing full well your points here. Otherwise I would have laughed off this story too.
Still, I firmly believe these warnings happen. The problem with publishing them in advance is one of credibility and causing panic.
If all this is true, the lady should not have gone to Rome with it. That's the worst thing to do. They get nutty stuff all the time and would never take her seriously. I'd call the FBI or post a warning on the internet before I'd go to Rome.
I don't mean this as a slam against Rome or priests as I have recently begun attending church again. I know there are just some things priests don't take seriously. They probably get stuff like this all the time.
I also would not go on coast to coast with anything like that either.
I'm not a Catholic but I find this to be interesting.
"This priest is also aware of what she has seen coming for America. He said it was so horrific that he would not discuss it further. He simply said, "Be ready to go at any moment." "
I have my doubts on what she thought would happen in Asia but the next "vision" if you will, concerning the U.S. is a GIVEN. It's just a matter of time till we have a nuclear attack.
St. Johann Tetzel,This is 3rd person report.A good way to find out if a prediction is true is have the person write it down and date it.They should put it in a sealed envelope and give it to a priest.Going to Rome was not going to stop the event.I doubt Father would have said we will get a worst fate if he is a national personality and if he did then he lacks prudence.
We all know that. Possibly this woman thought the Pope would issue some kind of warning. That would have been incredibly naive on her part, unfortunately. There are lots of nutcases who say all kinds of crazy stuff.
I doubt Father would have said we will get a worst fate if he is a national personality
This makes no sense to me. However, he would have been lacking in prudence if he had publicized her warning prior to the tsunamis, because 99.9999% of such warnings are nonsense.
In this case, he knew her warning beforehand, and saw her warning come true 2 weeks later. Based on this, he shared the experience with a close friend of mine.
That's all I know, and I fully realize that it is not very credible based on the anonymity of the source. However, I felt I should pass it along.
Frankly, I think more Catholics expect natural disasters and economic collapse than nuclear attack or invasion. Unlike Europe and other western countries, there are still many faithful Christians in America, which may mitigate the chastisement due for all these crimes that cry out to God for vengence.
In matters like this a priest should repeat nothing of what he hears.
I disagree. If the warning is of God, then He gave it for a reason.
Many have become weary from all the scandals and the malfeasance of the US hierarchy. I know I did for a while, to the point of not even wanting to go to Divine Liturgy.
Sometimes God's people need a wake up call. Scripture is full of such.
If it snaps a soul or two out of complacency and back into fervent belief and practice of the faith, then it was worth it.
I've decided to go back to attending daily Divine Liturgy, or a local mass on days our Byzantine Church does not offer daily Divine Liturgy.
Was that in part because this particular story struck me personally? I'm ashamed to say, yes. I had fallen away a bit in my heart over the last 3 years.
You said the priest was know by most on this forum-he is a national person or a poster.That is what I meant.It does not matter what our opinions are in repeating the story.There are rules.
"Frankly, I think more Catholics expect natural disasters and economic collapse than nuclear attack or invasion. Unlike Europe and other western countries, there are still many faithful Christians in America, which may mitigate the chastisement due for all these crimes that cry out to God for vengence."
I don't think you can break it down by Catholics and nonCatholics ... I also don't think there are that many genuine Christians in the U.S. ... oh yeah they like to be labeled such but vote for abortion to be legal and capital punishment to be abolished ... in any event something is coming ... I don't know what or when.
I would not want to know. I had a very minor thing last Sunday that upset me.
I must have had some dream about a demon who was fat and smiling. Nothing more. It puzzled me at the time because hell is such a horrible place that there would be no reason that I could think of that the demon would be smiling.
It was not until a few days after the events that I realized the why -- the demon was fat because it was greedy for souls. It was smiling because of the souls to be devoured by the disaster.
But if there is a message out of the events of this week -- it should scare the hell out of anybody and hopefully return people to God and not the TV set.
There was a luncheon for volunteers and that was my only real break of the day. I had a nice re-union with Norma McCorvey. Father Frank Pavone was also a speaker at this event.
At any rate, it is good to be around some really good folks that day.
There was a luncheon for volunteers and that was my only real break of the day. I had a nice re-union with Norma McCorvey. Father Frank Pavone was also a speaker at this event. At any rate, it is good to be around some really good folks that day.
One thing to consider in any prophetic message which has credance: the extent, timing, or even the occurance of the prophecied disasterous event can and often is mitgated by prayer, penance, and the offereings of victim souls in reparation.
this is a major factor as to why such "events" cannot literally be pinned down to an exact timetable, as they are conditional upon man's response.
The Thunder of Justice is by both Ted & Maureen Flynn. Maureen was the one who arranged the various things at the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception on October 11, 2004.
The Thunder of Justice would be some reading to pick up -- in my opinion. It deals with a number of issues in a very organized way. Time for me to dust if off, and read it again...
"I'm a sucker for these stories, but like you, I have never heard of any of them coming true. And it's always afterward we hear that somebody knew about it and tried to warn us - but nobody listened."
Excellent point. From those bogus Marian apparitions, I keep hearing vague prophecies of coming chastisements. Well hey, how about giving us a date, giving us a place, and telling us what the disaster is going to be? Then we can see if it comes true, and so verify the supposed apparition. But no, just more unverifiable messages for the gullible.
It is called Fatima. Something about Russia spreading its error around the world. Something about a greater war than the current war. This happened in 1917 -- during World War I. But the coming greater war was conditional.
Did you ever hear of something called World War II?
Have you ever heard of Atheistic Communism?
Pope Leo XIII has vision of 100 year war -- 33 years to the day before Miracle of the Sun [October 13, 1917]. 33 years is the life of Christ.
May 13th, 1917 -- First Apparition of Fatima -- though preceded by the Angel of Peace. The one year anniversary of this twisted is 1981[18 reversed] -- the day Pope John Paul II was shot.
October 13th, 1917 -- Miracle of the Sun -- atheists are converted by predicted miracle. Estimated crowd of 70,000 watched events. Children predicted this month to be the month to have a miracle before hand [as told by the Lady from Heaven].
October, 1917 is also Red October -- the time of the Russian Revolution. Intially, Communists did not get power. The children were though to be mad for predicting Russia would be so influential on world affairs. Russia was easily knocked out of World War I very early and disastrously.
January 25th, 1938 -- Aurora Borealis covers Europe in an unusual Red Glow. Sister Lucy, only surviving person of the three seers, sees the night light in Spain.
This Aurora Borealis was unusual not only for the red color, but also the fact it covered North America and Europe, but not just Northern Europe, but very Southern areas of Europe -- considered extremely abnormal.
Sister Lucy claimed this light forebode the coming war [World War II]. Poland was not invaded until September 1, 1939 -- more than a year and a half later.
Finally, in Sister Lucy's memoirs, Sister Lucy warned Jacinto [when she was alive] to be quiet -- as she was talking about the secret of Fatima. The words that caused this rebuke was that Jacinto said "Poor Holy Father" -- implying the Pope had something to do with the Secret of Fatima.
Many think there are three secrets to Fatima. It is one secret with three parts [communism, World War II, and the sufferings of the Holy Father].
May 13th, 1981 -- note that 1981 is 1918 with "81" reversed. Pope John Paul II is shot in St Peter's square.
After the shooting, while the Pope was recovering, the Pope requests a number of materials on Fatima to read.
May 13th, 1982 -- Pope John Paul II is in Fatima, Portugal on the first anniversary of his attempted assination.
This date is October 13th, 1884. Pope Leo XIII falls into a trance after morning Mass. After he recovers, he claims he overheard a conversation between the devil and God where the devil is asking for more power and more time to destroy the church on earth. This is alluded to as request regarding the 100 year war on the Church.
After this event, Pope Leo XIII writes the famous Catholic Prayer to St Michael. Note that St Michael is found in the book of Revelation in a battle against the devil...
One part of the secret was only given to the Church. The other two parts of the secret are well known.
1952 movie Miracle of Fatima documents the events accurately for a Hollywood picture. Only the character of played by Gilbert Roland is invented -- to make the movie more entertaining -- but does no harm to storyline.
One part of the symbolism -- place named after daughter of Prophet Mohammed -- is not explained.
However, Our Lady of Fatima is a title that invokes peace just as Our Lady of Lourdes is a title that invokes healing.
Our Lady of Guadalupe [Mexico, not Spain] invokes a Marian title that is a title of life [protection of life].
Reason for Our Lady of Fatima being a title of peace is that if people changed their ways, the second, greater war would have been averted. Also, the onslaught of communism was part of this -- which was also a threat to peace [Korea, Vietnam, civil war in China, revolution in Cuba, etc].
Hope you will forgive me. The Catholic Church, if responsible, normally takes years to verify things. That was the case of Our Lady of Fatima. That happened in 1917 but not approved until 1924.
Some Jesuits who got nuked at Hiroshima survived and puzzled scientists that they didn't die [the four within a mile of the epicenter and stayed in the area after the bombing]. They attributed their survival to living the message of Our Lady of Fatima.
World War II could have been averted -- according to Our Lady of Fatima.
**At any rate, God expects us to live as if He were to come again at any time, **
Exactly!
I hope the Holy Spirit is guiding me.
I have been through a rough time lately. I am in contact with one of Archbishop Chaput's staff -- the person is going through some difficult times, and I work for Father Frank Pavone. I am being given alot of graces by God that I am unworthy to receive.
Church workers recover rotting bodies at Indian Marian shrine
Hint -- They were attending Mass!
Fatima is so good.Don't sweat this.I work with Father Pavone also-be at peace friend and I am proud of you,fatima
"It is called Fatima. Something about Russia spreading its error around the world. Something about a greater war than the current war. This happened in 1917 -- during World War I. But the coming greater war was conditional. Did you ever hear of something called World War II? Have you ever heard of Atheistic Communism?"
Quite apart from the valid prophecies which came from the apparition, Fatima validated itself by public miracles when the apparition occurred. I was thinking of Medjugorie and the copycat frauds it has spawned.
"It is called Fatima. Something about Russia spreading its error around the world. Something about a greater war than the current war. This happened in 1917 -- during World War I. But the coming greater war was conditional. Did you ever hear of something called World War II? Have you ever heard of Atheistic Communism?"
Quite apart from the valid prophecies which came from the apparition, Fatima validated itself by public miracles when the apparition occurred. I was thinking of Medjugorie and the copycat frauds it has spawned.
Whether these "prophecies" are true or not, I have absolutely no idea, but scientists have been predicting such an event in Asia for a while, and an event of even bigger proportions that will hit the U.S.
Maybe the "seer" had simply become aware of some of these alerts going around and got a "spooky feeling" about them.
I have posted an excerpt below from an article in today's London Times which discusses the prospective catastrophe that will hit the U.S. and to a lesser extent the U.K. But don't worry its mainly "Blue States" that will be wiped out, including the entire destruction of New York and Boston!:
"Could an even bigger disaster strike in our lifetime?
Professor Bill McGuire, catastrophe expert, says one is already in the making. Stuart Wavell reports
Another global disaster is already in progress. Events are inexorably priming a tsunami that will kill a million people and devastate the south coast of Britain and the eastern seaboard of the United States. “It’s happening now and nothing can stop it,” says the London academic Professor Bill McGuire.
The 50-year-old scientist, who has done more than anyone to publicise the threat of giant tidal waves, hopes the Indian Ocean tragedy will shake governments out of their torpor to prepare for the next catastrophe. “Everybody wants to develop a tsunami warning system now,” he observes drily. “It would have been nice to have had one 10 years ago.”
The Boxing Day tsunami was the first global geophysical event, or “gee gee”, in living memory. It seems mild compared to the horrific scenario identified by McGuire and his team at the Benfield Hazard Research Centre at University College London.
The trigger is a volcano on La Palma in the Canary Islands. Cumbre Vieja normally erupts at intervals of 20 to 200 years and has not done so since 1971. The next eruption may dislodge an unstable 12-mile-long slab of rock the size of the Isle of Man, which will crash to the sea bed causing a dome of water a mile high. The rock is already slipping down by infinitesimal degrees. “When it goes, it will likely collapse in 90 seconds,” McGuire says.
The resulting tsunami, travelling at 500mph, would reach Britain in six hours, with waves rearing up to 33ft. “It’s the same sort of size as the waves that caused the deaths in the Indian Ocean,” McGuire notes.
Britain last received such a battering 7,000 years ago, when a huge landslide off the coast of Norway launched a 75ft wave that poured across northeast Scotland, where Aberdeen is today. “It was the biggest landslide we know of,” says McGuire.
The La Palma tsunami would reach the Americas nine to 12 hours after the dislodgement, laying waste to the eastern seaboard of the United States with waves of 165ft. Boston, New York and Miami would be destroyed and the Caribbean islands overwhelmed.
To avert disaster would require an early warning system in order to stage the largest evacuation in human history. Yet, bizarrely, La Palma has not been closely monitored since McGuire and his colleagues established four years ago that the rock slab was moving at a speed of a third of an inch a year.
The international attention generated by McGuire’s research has astonished him, and there is even a thriller based on his prediction.
Scimitar SL2, the latest book by the bestselling author Patrick Robinson, describes a terrorist plot to attack the United States by detonating La Palma’s rock slide with missile strikes.
But the US government has not acknowledged the hazard or offered funding to research it. “It’s a very blinkered outlook,” McGuire says. “I’ve had loads of e-mails from worried Americans, asking if I know when it’s going to go.” The answer is that he does not know. But the outcome remains 100% certain."
Full article may be found here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,18690-1422952,00.html
I think the best bet for any Christian is to go by what the Bible states and stay clear of these "seers" or whatever they call themselves. I'm always curious about what these kinds of people say but I do NOT take them seriously.
The "signs" to look for are clearly written throughout the Bible. Your best bet is to use His words as your source of truth.
As to when He will come again - NO ONE on this earth knows.
Matt. 24:35-39
[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
[37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
[39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Speaking of prophecies, here is an interesing item on ebay. I could have photoshopped all that in, but again, I do believe sometimes these things happen.
I will say that if I had been blessed with a true picture such as that (my friend had some odd pictures I didn't know what to make of), I would hate myself for even of thinking of selling it. Sharing it as led, yes. Selling, no.
Phenomenon (sp?) Apparition Jesus Sacred Heart Picture
It is listed at $100 and has one bid!!!
And, yes, your take with the scientist on the main topic is extremely worthy of consideration. Somebody posted something about this awhile back. Sometimes the subconscious picks things like this up in a natural manner. There are other explanations for some things.
Kinda struck dumb since I live about 45 minutes south of Boston and about 20 minutes from the Cape Cod shoreline...
Not much to do, I guess.
Why? Why tell the pope?
A.Only the holiness of the pope could calm her distraughtness?
B.The pope was planning a trip to Aceh? She was warning him not to go?
C. She wanted the pope, the leader of the Catholic faith, to warn the Muslims, Bhuddists, and Hindu's that were facing certain doom?
Ask your priest friend what the seer's reason for demanding to see the pope was. It had to have been compelling since she taken.
Interesting you would mention Medjugorje - an event that is much in doubt right now.
One of the "visionaries" - a few weeks prior to the tsunami issued an urgent plea from Mary to pray for the unbelievers. She was described as being especially distressed for those who do not know God.
This was not something released after the disaster claiming it was given before. I specifically remember reading this in early Dec. and thinking "hmmm..if this is true I wonder what she is so worried about?"
Could it be?......
>>Could it be?......<<
Messages can be sent from the dark side to turn the good toward it. Please understand that there is nothing that is Vatican approved from there. Even JPII did not journey there on his trip to Yugoslavia.
It may be a message, but not a heavenly one. If you would like information on the goings on in Medjugorje, FReepmail me.
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