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To: Lexinom
Anyone who claims their theory as scientific fact or, worse, points to popular sentiment to back their assertion, is either lying, blind, or deluded.

I think what reasonable Creationists claim is that their Hypothesis, Theory, Speculation, whatever you want to call it, is indeed consistant with the evidence. If it wasn't consistant, it would not only be an issue of faith, but a laughably misplaced faith.

Then there is the SETI crowd that actually believes that there is intelligent life in outerspace. This is the same crowd that looks around and says everything we see is NOT the product of intelligent design, it can't possibly be - impossible! It must absolutely be a product of pure random chance! Then they gaze up into the screens of their employer's computer as it is busy processing SETI data knowing all along that their proof for life in the cosmos is finding order and intelligece rather than chaos.

What do you do with people who want it both ways?

41 posted on 01/06/2005 10:15:55 PM PST by Reuben Hick
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To: Reuben Hick
The question is this: Since we cannot verify theories of our origins using the scientific method, but must rather assume them in order that we may do science, which makes the most sense?

One thing for which the naturalist cannot give account is the laws of logic: B cannot be both B and non-B; The ratio of a circumference to a diameter is 3.141592653etc.; A number, say "3", which exists in in its purest form as a transcendental idea which can neither be observed or nor touched. These things were not invented, but discovered. How does naturalism account for such truths? They are reduced to making them stand on their own, with not ultimate Cause. They just are.

We can look at the pictures in the clear night sky: The constellations have the same meaning among all people, yet their origins are shrouded in history. They tell a story, born in remotest antiquity and passed down from the very dawn of time. We see that all peoples have a Creation story, invariably involving water. Many have a flood story as well. These anthropological facts represent a gigantic hurdle to the naturalist.

The question is, under which system does the reality in which we live make the most sense? Solomon gives us a hint: "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."

42 posted on 01/06/2005 10:44:24 PM PST by Lexinom (www.revotewa.com - Go DINO! www.illegitimategovernor.com)
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