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Gay, Catholic & confused (do not read after eating)
The New York Blade ^ | December 24, 2004 | Kevin Knaff

Posted on 01/12/2005 6:59:11 PM PST by AAABEST

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To: teenyelliott

So granting annullments is a money making venture for the church? >>>>

No


21 posted on 01/12/2005 8:18:44 PM PST by Coleus (Brooke Shields killed how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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To: Coleus

Re: post 18: "desire to get this annullment (It's not cheap!)"

Why on earth would they charge you, if it is not to make money?


22 posted on 01/12/2005 8:44:13 PM PST by teenyelliott (Why do we give Middle Eastern countries billions of dollars?)
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To: AAABEST

Sigh. It's not a classic pedophile crisis. Look at the numbers it's a homosexual problem. A problem to the point they had to create an entirely new class of deviant.

So now there is an officially 'gay Catholic' church in Baltimore? Do the words "go and sin no more mean anything". That goes for the priests too. This ain't a fraternity. The picking and choosing of which scripture to follow isn't anything new nor is it different than what alot of other churches are teaching these days.


grrrr


23 posted on 01/12/2005 8:46:27 PM PST by Jaded (Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain)
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To: teenyelliott
Why on earth would they charge you, if it is not to make money?

Because there are lawyers involved.

24 posted on 01/12/2005 8:49:30 PM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: murphE
Because there are lawyers involved.

There are no lawyers involved. The "charge" for an annulment is around $400, to cover administrative expenses. In most dioceses, if someone cannot pay, or refuses to pay, the annulment process will proceed anyway.

25 posted on 01/12/2005 8:51:46 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur

It's not $400.00 everywhere sinky, and I'm not the one who is saying it's expensive. Aren't canon lawyers a part of divorce tribunals that review the cases?


26 posted on 01/12/2005 8:56:18 PM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: murphE; sinkspur

oops of course I meant to say annulment tribunals.


27 posted on 01/12/2005 8:57:33 PM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: murphE
Canon lawyers are, for the most part, priests. They work for slave wages.

Nobody is turned away if they cannot pay for the administrative costs of an annulment.

28 posted on 01/12/2005 8:59:24 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur

I was not aware that most canon lawyers are priests, for I have little (as in no) personal contact with them. Anyway I was originally just trying to make a joke.


29 posted on 01/12/2005 9:04:19 PM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: teenyelliott

It's a tribunal almost like a court of appeals, it costs money to do investigations, paperwork, process forms, pay secretarial staff; canon lawyers are often involved. The process can take a year or more.


30 posted on 01/12/2005 9:07:12 PM PST by Coleus (Brooke Shields killed how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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To: murphE

Murph
The last I heard in Portland they ask for $300 if the annulee (?) can afford it. If not any donation will suffice.
My brother-in-law worked at the tribunal in another diocese and has said that there are dozens of professional hours on each case.


31 posted on 01/12/2005 9:56:49 PM PST by rogator
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To: AAABEST
...there were signs that not all bishops are towing the Vatican line...

What does the church do with leaders who do not tow the line?

Are they fired?

32 posted on 01/13/2005 12:03:34 AM PST by PFKEY
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To: AAABEST

Sodomy is one of the sins that cries out to heaven for vengeance.

One Pope even said, "Homosexuality is a sin so vile that even the angels of hell are repulsed by it."


33 posted on 01/13/2005 12:18:07 AM PST by broadsword (It was far beyond anything seen here before!)
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To: AAABEST
"(do not read after eating)"

Dogogonit, i shoulgd have readg this warnnning firsyt.

Annd I jusst bought this keyaboard.

34 posted on 01/13/2005 12:32:38 AM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: vrwcagent0498

I have been divorced 32 years, never re-married and have been celibate quite a few years.

The Church will let you participate in the Eucharist if you never re-married and are in the state of grace. Especially if you did not institute teh divorce.


35 posted on 01/13/2005 12:32:40 AM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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To: vrwcagent0498
Sorry, I missed this thread. The remarriage is the problem.

If you still have the problem while your son makes communion, make sure you explain the Church's rules.

You are the best catechist your son will have so the truth will not hurt.
36 posted on 01/13/2005 12:39:55 AM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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To: vrwcagent0498

snip...go somewhere else, or up your standards. Don't expect the Church to lower her standards to accommodate. It isn't going to happen, and it shouldn't



But 'lowering standards' is exactly what same-sex types are calling on us to do. When they carp and cry about our hateful unfairness, what they're really saying is this: "If you only understood (that we can't live UP to your standards) our pain,you'd be sensitive and accepting (make exceptions for us by lowering your standards).


37 posted on 01/13/2005 3:14:11 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: Bernard

Hate's an awfully strong word.


38 posted on 01/13/2005 5:20:47 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Bernard

Hate's an awfully strong word.


39 posted on 01/13/2005 5:22:12 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: AAABEST

"Either that or it's a Newspaper from hell under the guise of a homosexual Newspaper."

Isn't a "homosexual newspaper" by definition a "newspaper from hell"?

Assuming, that is, that you're not talking of newspapers which have sex with other newspapers of the same sex! ;)


40 posted on 01/13/2005 5:33:31 AM PST by Tantumergo
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