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To: traviskicks; Valin
This is precisely the kind of rationalization that I was criticizing in my first post. It's not theology -- it's rationalism. And it is a fallacy.

In the West, the belief that man can solve and understand any problem (the so-called Age of Reason) is the epitome of pride and arrogance -- in other words sin.

God is known to us through His energies (manifestations), but the essence of God is not only unknown but unknowable because we are not one and the same: God is uncreated; everything else is created.

We don't see gravity, yet we know it exists and we know it because things fall on earth, planets have moons, suns have planets, etc. Do we understand gravity? Not at all! And yet it is here. We have no clue as to why gravity exists! We simply say, it is a "property" of mass.

But gravity is part of the created world. How do we know it is created? Because it is structured. When you see a house -- do you doubt that it was designed and built by someone? Or do you think it just appeared? When you see beautiful gardens, do you think they just grew there? But when you see organized Universe, some think it just appeared!

As for out abilities, we are nowhere. With all our great strides in science and technology, we cannot make an ant; we cannot make it see and sense; reporduce and live. It's like comparing a Leggo car with a Ferrari.

The tool cannot know its maker, although the Maker's energies are manifested in the tool. God made us in His image by giving us a mind, a word and a spirit. No other lving creature has that. With these we understand and experience God's Wisdom, Word and Spirit. Love, mercy and justice are not concepts we find in "Nature". They are not physical and they exist apart from our physical self. Reason cannot penetrate them, define them; they have no shape, no time limit, not restrained by space, yet we "know" what they are -- vaguely perhaps -- but even a child knows them. Even an animal knows what feels good.

So, trying to figure out God is a hopless approach that, as you said, ends up in brain rot. God can be approached in spirit. If you don't believe, it is because of pride and arrogance -- veiled with reason or agnostic non-commitment. Such is our nature, for some even use religion to justify their pride and arrogance. Most people accept God conditionally -- "if I go to church then God should save me" or "If I am good then I deserve to go to heaven." And when they don't get what they want or if we lose someone -- we turn on God. God is good only as long as we get what we ask for. No one ever thinks that life is not guaranteed and that all who are born will die, the question is not if but only when, and the time is not ours to determine. The fact is, we have no right to life. No one will keep his or hers. Not one, no matter how deserving or how undeserving, how rich and how poor. Life is a loan that everyone has to repay. How many truly accept the words "Thy will be done" in complete peace?

78 posted on 01/24/2005 4:31:42 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

I was trying to poke some holes in what you wrote, but found myself unable to do so! so - well said. I'll have to reflect on that a bit.

However, you said: "and the time is not ours to determine"

This is a direct attack on our free will. If God's will has a structure similar to us and our brains, as shown by the picture in the paper, then His will can effect us, but cannot be all controlling. This agrees with the Christian general philosophy of paths laid out by God, which one chooses. So, there may be some instances where we cannot control our own death, but I would argue there are at least some where we can.


83 posted on 01/24/2005 6:39:26 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/blackconservatism.htm)
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