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To: jdhighness

Ah! oh I see what you are getting at - sry I misunderstood.

Yea, I think what you are describing is true, but I also think the difference might be less than one might think.

By looking inwards to oneself you cannot help but discover something like the Christian objective good. And, of course, the bible does not contain explicit directions for every moral situation either. Meditation on compassion etc... is a standard exercise. Buddhist teachings have generally the same lessons as Christian teachings, as far as right and wrong. However, there is nothing like the 10 commandments or, like your saying, any objective verification.

From what you've said I can see how looking at sin etc.. from a Christian perspective can be more motivating towards active change. This is something that should perhaps be added to this paper.

Here is another excerpt:
Christianity focuses on God, rather then self and Buddhism focuses on self, rather then God. Often times the difference between the two can be broken down into mere semantic differences, but it seems to me both religions might benefit from occasionally shifting their focus, Christians to self and Buddhists to God. By focusing on self you raise your awareness, enhance your compassion, and thus can more easily understand God and fulfill the will of God. Focusing on God enables one to step outside of oneself and, by viewing yourself objectively (instead of subjectively), lead one to become more in-tune with oneself and become more in tune with God's will. Different perspectives of the same thing can lead to fuller understandings. In understanding the game of football, it might help to view the game from the perspective of both a player (self) and a coach (God).


88 posted on 01/25/2005 3:35:19 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/blackconservatism.htm)
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To: traviskicks

I believe that God is within, and so is heaven. Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is at hand. He compared it to a mustard seed, which is the smallest of seeds, but if planted would grow into the largest tree where all the birds would nest in. He compared it to yeast in bread, where a little spread through the whole thing. Many say Jesus was God, but Jesus never said this. He called himself the son of man, and he was referred to as the word of God made flesh, but never as God. He said why do you call me good, when there is only one that is good? The father in heaven. God is love, and heaven is within you. God will rule the earth when love destroys selfishness (the devil). Spread the seeds of love unto the brotherhood of man. The entire universe is reflected in the smallest atom.


91 posted on 01/25/2005 5:40:38 AM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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To: traviskicks

I think we have much agreement. I would just note that, as I interpret Christ's message, you must constantly analyze your behavior and, in contrast to Buddhism, see if it is consistent to the objective morality Christ demands.

Also, I don't see why you must deeply evaluate yourself in Buddhism because, if you believe you are right, you will phase into a better existence in the next life. So, if you are a murderer and you truly believe you are justified because, say, you are ridding the world of the weak--how would you be wrong?

If I may, here are some examples of what I'm talking about regarding self-analysis and "knowing thy self":



Matt 6:22
22"Your eye is a lamp for your body. A pure eye lets sunshine into your soul. 23But an evil eye shuts out the light and plunges you into darkness. If the light you think you have is really darkness, how deep that darkness will be!"

I believe light means wisdom gleamed from God. Jesus says only the humble and righteous ever learn from God.




Matt 19:28
28And Jesus replied, "I assure you that when I, the Son of Man, sit upon my glorious throne in the Kingdom,[g] you who have been my followers will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or property, for my sake, will receive a hundred times as much in return and will have eternal life. 30But many who seem to be important now will be the least important then, and those who are considered least here will be the greatest then.[h]

So even if you might think you are good now, you may not be objectively (IE to Jesus/God).




There is the narrow gate.

Matt 7:

13"You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell[d] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way. 14But the gateway to life is small, and the road is narrow, and only a few ever find it.

Presumably, most people operate on the assumption that their behavior is acceptable and, if they believe in an afterlife, that they will someday see it. Jesus is saying that--in a time which most thought they were religious for following their interpretation of God's law--they really are destined to failure because they did not interpret it or implement it correctly.


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Lastly, Matt 7:21

21"Not all people who sound religious are really godly. They may refer to me as `Lord,' but they still won't enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The decisive issue is whether they obey my Father in heaven. 22On judgment day many will tell me, `Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' 23But I will reply, `I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized.[e]'


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You are a very rational person and I eagerly await your response, at your leisure of course ;)


106 posted on 01/25/2005 9:50:49 PM PST by jdhighness
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