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To: freepatriot32


"O God, through whose mercy the souls of the faithful are at rest"

The author treats the chaplain as if he said, "through whose mercy the soul of this faithful one is at rest." He did not, of course.

"Bless this grave... To bless means to make happy; "

Uh, no. One who is blessed is made happy, but they are not synonyms. That's how silly translations like "Wei Li's Happy Chicken Buffet" happen.
Bless:
To make holy by religious rite; sanctify.
To make the sign of the cross over so as to sanctify.
To invoke divine favor upon.
To honor as holy; glorify: Bless the Lord.
To confer well-being or prosperity on.
To endow, as with talent.

Blessing a grave would make the gravesite a source of comfort for those who mourn there.

"We must assume that he is appealing to the heretical high-church Anglican theory of baptismal regeneration"

I don't know how you want to twist scripture to call baptismal regeneration a heresy, if you call going near the subject appealing to it, the cleric appealed to it far less than Jesus did.

"Asked whether all soldiers were cleansed by water and therefore going to heaven,"

God ordains all things. Praying does not change his mind. Yet we in hope pray that he has already willed things to be. Thus, it is virtuous to pray in the reasonable expectation that the person was christian, even if we cannot be 100% sure. Just like we would pray for someone we knew had been Christian, without being 100% sure he had not apostasized.

Besides, there are no atheists in foxholes, remember? :^D

"Why do you not mention or pray in the name of Jesus Christ, which is the usual practice in Christian services? "

It is troublesome the way that Jesus Christ is hidden away from public rites... this I will agree with the post with.


17 posted on 02/09/2005 5:41:22 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
Now hold on a minute.

"God ordains all things. Praying does not change his mind. Yet we in hope pray that he has already willed things to be. Thus, it is virtuous to pray in the reasonable expectation that the person was christian, even if we cannot be 100% sure. Just like we would pray for someone we knew had been Christian, without being 100% sure he had not apostasized."

There are examples where God changed His mind, relented as it were. If what you say is true then God would be double minded. Even worse , if that is true, the statement would make God the author of evil. Since He ordained everything that would and will happen the He can not say to anyone they have failed and cast them into Hell. Neither can He say Well done my good and faithful servant, because that would also be a lie since no man would have free will to choose to serve or not. This makes Your second sentence totally null.
Even worse, it makes the sacrifice of Jesus nothing more than symbolic at best, and useless in fact.

Speaking of your last sentence. Praying for the dead may make you(generic use) feel better, but praying for the dead seems to be a useless activity otherwise. After all, they have finished their journey and have received their reward, Heaven or Hell. But since God has ordained their fate they couldn't very well be apostate, anymore than they could be a good and faithful servant.
22 posted on 02/09/2005 6:08:28 AM PST by Tweaker
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