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To: ndkos

Sorry for the delay. I had to follow this one back to here. We seem to have a curious situation today with the Pope, who has done many things in contradiction to the Faith of Catholics. We cannot know what is in his heart, however, unless he tells us. We have not heard him say that he willingly rejects the Faith. He has never said something like, "I know the Church has always taught (some doctrine), but I now say this is no longer the Church's teaching" (or words to that effect). Therefore we do not have a clear heresy that would mean he is no longer Pope. But what we do have is things he and his immediate predecessors have done that no pope in history could have gotten away with. So it's not exactly all the pope's fault. Catholics have let it happen, and I have to admit that I am not faultless in this defection.


225 posted on 02/19/2005 12:14:02 PM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort)
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To: donbosco74

I object in the strongest terms to imply that the Pope might be a heretic, publicly or privately.

First of all, you should not spread scandal about the Holy Father. It weakens the Faith of Catholics who are only lukewarm when they read posts like yours. If you think that the Pope is a heretic (and I should say that you are endangering your own soul if you associate with sedevacanists or even the SSPX), you should pray for him, instead of spreading scandal.

Now I know what you will say about the Pope (but I will not repeat it here and you needn't either). In response I will say: yes, he has loosened some rules but he has also done many good things like grant the 1984 indult. Acknowledging that other religions share part of God's truth is not heresy. The Holy Father may have made a mistake with his diplomacy, but he has never even implied that all religions are equal or any other part of the modernist heresy.

You may be aware that Pope Liberius declined to attack the Arians when they were a grave threat to the Church. Was he wrong? Yes. Was he a heretic? Definitely not a public heretic and very doubtful that he was a private one. Some theologians think that it is impossible for the Pope to be even a private heretic.

I am fully aware that the Church is in full retreat in America and in Europe. But sometimes (and definitely not always) diplomacy and moderation is the best solution.

If you were to meet your average Catholic, would you tell them right away to start going to daily Mass in Latin, pray the Rosary everyday, start severe fasting and corporal mortifications, and other very pious practices right away? Of course not, you would help them to grow in holiness one step at a time. The current Pope is very conservative on the whole (people forget his hard-line stances on abortion, birth control, euthanasia, etc.). Just because he may not be as great in your eyes as St. Pius X or St. Gregory the Great does not mean he is a heretic in any way.


229 posted on 02/19/2005 7:41:23 PM PST by ndkos
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