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To: Diago

I do not believe in the modern Charismatic gifts being genuine gifts from God, those ended long ago.

I would like to see someone I KNOW or someone who has a documented broken bone get healed, and then x-rayed to see if it actually happened.

Otherwise, it is either a sham or a demonic phony.

I do believe God can heal, I just dont believe He is doing it through miracle slike this today, it is totally against Chruch history and Bible doctrine.

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/charis35.htm

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/tongues/apendix2.htm


6 posted on 02/22/2005 7:59:21 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: RaceBannon

I think you won't have to look to far to hear stories of real, documented miracles. I personally know several people who have been healed.

Since you specifically mentioned it - in one case (a good friend) I have seen the before and after X-rays. His doctors and surgeons -the best in their field- said they had no explanation, that there was no way he could have spontaneously healed, and even they conceded it must be a miracle.

I believe cessationism is a denial of the awesome power of God and of great delight to Satan.

For those who have chosen to believe that God does not perform miracles today, no "proof" will be sufficient.

All in all, I'd suggest to anyone that he/she go straight to God in prayer and ask Him.


7 posted on 02/22/2005 8:52:09 PM PST by Zechariah_8_13 ("Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.")
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To: RaceBannon

You must be a Baptist.


11 posted on 02/23/2005 8:43:53 AM PST by roylene
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To: RaceBannon
I actually agree with you for the most part on this.

I'm always wondering what the charismatics are going to dig up next and throw in the well.

14 posted on 02/23/2005 8:51:48 AM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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To: RaceBannon
To say that God's gifts are not available to us today .. is ludicrous.
I was diagnosed with ovarian caner in August of 1987. I was to under go six months of chemo. I under went only two treatments and knew I was healed by God's grace.
The doctor told me that if I did not continue treatment I would be dead in six months ... well needless to say ... its been a long six months.
My friend had a bone disorder which was destroying her leg. The doctors felt the only way they might save her is to amputate ... when they opened her leg to take a further look ... nothing was wrong ... perfect bones. So .... 1966 to today perfect bone structure. What the doctors said in both cases ... oops wrong xray ooops screw up in the lab.
No it was God's healing grace that healed us both!
15 posted on 02/23/2005 8:53:24 AM PST by roylene
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To: RaceBannon

"I do not believe in the modern Charismatic gifts being genuine gifts from God, those ended long ago...it is either a sham or a demonic phony."

I suggest you read Matthew Chapter 12, beginning at verse 22. Jesus casts out a demon...the Pharisees say he did it by Beelzebub (Satan). Jesus says to the Pharisees that attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan is an unforgivable sin.

You better be sure, for your own sake and soul that it is demonic activity before you say so.

As for gifts ending, in 1 Cor 13 Paul says that these will cease when that which is perfect, or complete, has come. We know-it-all evangelical fundamentalists would like to believe that having a "complete" word of God - Bible, Old and New Covenants - makes what Paul said so. I suggest we read it again, carefully - it can only mean when Christ, the Messiah, returns for His Bride, the church. Then, when we have Him among us, or we are with Him, there is no longer need for any of those gifts (nor is there any longer a need for the Bible). Til then...let me ask, have you ever been sick? Do you pray? Does God answer your prayer? Does He converse with you? What is a prophecy...is it not a word from the Lord? Or is your God deaf and dumb? He can't hear...He can't speak? Or he can hear, but he can't speak? Oh, I forgot...he has to answer you by directing your thoughts to some particular passage in the Bible, God's word, complete and final word and he is limited by what is written there, cannot answer you in any other way...Hmmm? You serve a tongue-tied God? Your God wrote (had written) everything He wanted to say to us, then went to sleep these past 2000 years? God forbid that anyone who claims to belong to Him would think that His power has limits.

Jehovah-rapha - God my Healer. He heals today by the same "miraculous" touch that he did 2000 years ago. He has been doing so for these 2000 years. He did so during the first 4000 years leading up to His being on this earth in human form (or however many it has been since the Creation of aw-dawm...adam...man).

I have seen God heal - I have seen Him heal medically verified diseases with the healing medically verified. I know of medically verified broken bones being instantly healed and the healing medically verified. Jesus said, in John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." ...did Jesus lie?


23 posted on 03/17/2005 8:37:42 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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