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I know this was a while ago but considering the big settlement in the OC...
1 posted on 03/09/2005 9:20:15 PM PST by Cato1
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ping


2 posted on 03/10/2005 4:58:11 AM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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Very interesting. Was a young priest untrained to say the Tridentine replacing him? In Tampa we are having a big problems finding someone who can help with an Indult.


3 posted on 03/10/2005 7:31:03 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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Here is what's really going on in the conflict within the Church. Modernists ignore the dogmas of the Catholic faith--and take real issue with them. This is why they push the Novus Ordo and despise the Tridentine Mass which emphasizes the dogmas of Transubstantiation and Propitiatory sacrifice. They have suppressed the Marian dogmas and feel no qualms about questioning the Gospel miracles or even the Resurrection of Jesus. Some even question the Incarnation and the divinity of Christ.

But there is no wish by modernists to oppose any of these dogmas openly and directly. To do so would not only lead to a mass exodus from the Church, but it would weaken the dogmatic underpinnings of their own clerical authority. In addition such an honest and open approach would destroy the only distinction left between Catholics and Protestants--which is the rigid hierarchical structure of the Catholic Church and the intense adherence of faithful Catholics to the pope who is at the apex of the hierarchic pyramid.

Rather than pursue a doctrinal confrontation, therefore, Modernists choose to create facts on the ground by subterfuge and deception. They have successfully destroyed traditional catechesis, substituting social programs instead; they have substituted a protestantizing liturgy for the ancient Mass and have made it the primary vehicle for spreading the new theology; they have changed the office of the priesthood by emphasizing the priesthood of all the baptized; and they have aggressively pursued an exaggerated ecumenicism which is indifferentist and syncretist in nature, pushing for a "civilization of love" in lieu of a union based on commonly held beliefs.

Sooner or later the New Theology must fail. Why? Because it cannot keep the faithful in line once the dogmatic underpinnings of tradition have been eliminated. With tradition goes also any impetus by the faithful to obey the hierarchy. If Catholics no longer must believe in the Real Presence, then sure as God made green apples they likewise will feel no obligation to obey their bishops or pope. Doing away with the one while trying to keep their own authority intact would be like the bishops' trying to square a circle--it can't be done.


7 posted on 03/10/2005 5:29:21 PM PST by ultima ratio
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From the article:

Basically, the forces of liberalism that are crushing traditional Roman Catholic piety are the same forces that unleashed the sex-abuse scandal within the church. As long as the leadership rejects traditional ideals of holiness and piety, nothing will be done to assure that holy men, and not those with lax sexual attitudes, dominate the priesthood.

9 posted on 03/11/2005 7:06:43 PM PST by murphE (Each of the SSPX priests seems like a single facet on the gem that is the alter Christus. -Gerard. P)
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