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To: ccmay
Protestants would do well to remember that there was a thriving Church, as ordained by Christ Himself, with a well-developed theology and tradition for 300 years before there was a Bible.

Catholics would do well to remember that there was a thriving assembly of believers ordained by the Creator of the Universe 2,300 years before the abomination that Constantine the sun worshipper made the state religion of the Roman Empire. Ever hear of Abraham? Have you ever read Romans chapter 4?

As well, a little humility is in order. The BIBLE you people carry, the first 2/3rds of it was written in Hebrew - not LATIN. And the 'church' did not give it to you - the faithful Hebrew scribes that the 'church' despicably persecuted for 1,900 years did. Shoot, even the so-called 'New Testament' was not a 'church' creation. It existed and was in use over 100 years before any Roman 'canon'. Look up the word 'canon'. Scripture is GIVEN by the Almighty - not SANCTIONED by a group of fallable men.
36 posted on 03/13/2005 7:41:40 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: safisoft

"Catholics would do well to remember that there was a thriving assembly of believers ordained by the Creator of the Universe 2,300 years before the abomination that Constantine the sun worshipper made the state religion of the Roman Empire. Ever hear of Abraham? Have you ever read Romans chapter 4?... As well, a little humility is in order. The BIBLE you people carry, the first 2/3rds of it was written in Hebrew - not LATIN. And the 'church' did not give it to you - the faithful Hebrew scribes that the 'church' despicably persecuted for 1,900 years did."

So your point is we should become Jewish?

Your snide allegations against Rome's first Christian Emperor aside, remember that there wouldn't be a Protestant church if Europe wasnt Christianized. You'd probably be worshipping Woden if it werent for the works for 1500 years of the members of a church, ie saints like Augustine, Boethius, Ignatius, St Paul, St Patrick and St Columba, St Cyril, Venerable Bede, Pope Gregory, etc.

"Shoot, even the so-called 'New Testament' was not a 'church' creation. It existed and was in use over 100 years before any Roman 'canon'. Look up the word 'canon'. Scripture is GIVEN by the Almighty - not SANCTIONED by a group of fallable men."

Well, if you are going to be cynical about Constantine, recall that HE WAS THE ONE WHO CALLED THE CHURCH ELDERS TO NICEA IN 325AD, where they worked out the articles of faith of the church in the Nicean Creed. In similar councils of that period, they went through the process of determining which writings were and were not part of the canon and which were apocrypha. The early church writings was a period of assimilation and discovery of the key parts of Christian faith and casting off that which was not essential. They may be given by God, but it took men to carry the faith forward into the world, to organize and uncover truths through theology, and to evangelize and Christianize new communities.

A church you apparently mock was the "rock" that built Christendom and Western civilization. ... Yes, a little humility is in order.


95 posted on 03/13/2005 9:05:41 PM PST by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: safisoft
>>>>>>Catholics would do well to remember that there was a thriving assembly of believers ordained by the Creator of the Universe 2,300 years before the abomination that Constantine the sun worshipper made the state religion of the Roman Empire. Ever hear of Abraham?

In Hoc Signo Vinces!

208 posted on 03/14/2005 9:59:26 AM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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