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To: what's up; Ohioan from Florida
You say:
It is not clear at all that God made Mary sinless.

It is clear to ALL of the Catholic and Orthodox scholars. It was also clear to Martin Luther (see his words above.) What is NOT clear to you is to most who have studied the matter. May I suggest a course of prayer and study?

This is preposterous.

Why is the belief of the oldest Christian communities "preposterous"? Why is Martin Luther's belief "preposterous"?

59 posted on 03/13/2005 7:52:48 PM PST by narses (St James the Moor-slayer, Pray for us! +)
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To: narses
Martin Luther was also an extreme anti-Semite. Do you think Martin Luther perfect also? He was not. However, God did a great work through him, as He did with Mary.

You say "Why is the belief of the oldest Christian communities "preposterous"? "

You believe Martin Luther to be among the "oldest Christian communities"? Don't think so. Rather, the New Testament writers were the oldest Christian community. They say absolutely nothing about Mary being sinless...not a word.

68 posted on 03/13/2005 7:56:50 PM PST by what's up
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To: narses; what's up; Ohioan from Florida
It's probably fair to say that 100% of the individuals whose existence has been prophesied in the Bible had a special relationship with God that the rest of us can only marvel at, but fully understand.

There aren't very many of them BTW.

77 posted on 03/13/2005 7:59:26 PM PST by muawiyah (gonna' be like with the anthrax thing ~ find a guy, harass him, let the terrorists escape)
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To: narses

Was it the belief of Calvin?


103 posted on 03/13/2005 9:09:40 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: narses

I mean, Luther was not perfect. He started the Reformation, but Calvin is the one who finally completed it.


105 posted on 03/13/2005 9:10:33 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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