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A Bishop According to John Paul's Heart?
Inside the Vatican ^ | Dr. Robert Moynihan,

Posted on 04/06/2005 9:46:11 PM PDT by narses

VATICAN CITY, Wednesday, April 6, 2005 -- This afternoon, an Italian colleague called me with a rumor.

He said he had heard from an Italian monsignor rather highly placed in the Vicariate of Rome that the Pope's testament, written on 16 pages, in Polish, beginning in 1979 (so, not just during his last illness), now translated into Italian, and which is due to be made public in a few hours, contains startling, almost incredible passages.

Before explaining what this monsignor told us, I wish to make one point clear: I am not reporting "news," I am reporting what they call in Italian a "voce," a "rumor."

Normally, of course, such rumors are not to be reported. It is a certain way to lose all journalistic credibility.

But I think I may be pardoned for mentioning this "rumor" here, for the following reasons.

First, that it is, in fact "true" -- that is, it is "true" that this rumor, amid many others, is flying about the city of Rome.

This tells us something about the mood in Rome right now. So, for those who are not in Rome, it seems important to inform them that in every cafe, on every street corner, in every newsroom, people are discussing rumors. "Did you hear that..." And, "No, but I heard this..." And so forth.

So, I am making the rather self-serving justification for publishing this rumor by claiming that I am making a contribution to the understanding of Rome's mood on the eve of the release of the contents of the Pope's testament. Historians may be grateful.

Second, it is a cautionary tale. In the absence of hard and clear news, rumors always germinate and grow, sometimes taking on a life of their own. We all have seen this phenomenon. So, to report this rumor in this case is to give a true insight into the "mood" and even the "mental world" in which journalists, Vatican monsignors and ordinary mourners in Rome are now living, just two days before John Paul's funeral, and 11 days before the scheduled opening of the papal conclave on April 18.

Finally, in this case, it seemed to me, that, since the Pope's testament will in any case be made public in less than 12 hours, most likely "scotching" this rumor for the "poison apple" (false story peddled by non-credible and perhaps malevolent sources) that one imagines it must be, it could be published now, in the middle of the Roman night, knowing that in a brief time it would be tested by the light of day, and the true facts.

I should also mention that I discussed this news this afternoon with producers at CNN and with other journalists, and all agreed it was not reportable "news" in that there was no way to check the report, especially given that all the cardinals who could confirm or deny it are sworn to secrecy under pain of excommunication.

What did my monsignor source say?

That John Paul II, in his testament, names the man he believes would make a worthy successor for him, and, that the name mentioned is that of an Italian bishop.

I will not speculate further on what this might mean; it will be soon enough for such meditations, tomorrow afternoon...

This same source said that the testament contains the name of a mystery cardinal "in pectore," but that, without the two written witnesses to confirm this name, the name will not be accepted.

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As John Paul's funeral approaches (it is scheduled for Friday morning at 10:00 AM), it seems to be taking on the characteristics of a world political and religious summit, to be held outdoors, in the presence of hundreds of thousands, and or hundreds of millions worldwide. This raises spontaneously the question of whether this funeral can in some way be of cathartic importance for humanity.

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Under the headline "Brazilian cardinal says he doesn't think he will be chosen as pope," a Brazilian news agency has suggested that the Archbishop of Sao Paulo, Cardinal Claudio Hummes, is taking his candidacy for the papacy "off the table."

Hummes says he does not believe in pundits who have said he's in the running to be chosen as successor to Pope John Paul II. Before leaving for Rome, Hummes, 70, said he expected to return soon to Brazil. "Surely I will return soon, to resume the post of archbishop of Sao Paulo," he told reporters, the dpa agency reported.

Several of Hummes's aides cited by Folha de Sao Paulo newspaper Wednesday said the cardinal is "certain" he will be returning to Sao Paulo, not staying on in Rome as pope.

Nonetheless -- and here follows that dreaded word once again -- speculation that he might become the successor of John Paul II prompted a publishing house to speed up publication of a book of 110 newspaper articles by Hummes. Originally scheduled for May, the book's launching was brought forward to Friday, even though Hummes will not be in Sao Paulo.

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Cardinal Fiorenzo Angelini, 88 (so, not one of the voters because over 80) told a Roman newspaper that he does not see "the possibility" of an Italian Pope. Cardinal Francis Arinze, in Nigeria, seemed to take his own candidacy off the charts by saying that the Western world is "not ready" for "an African Pope." This occurred just as a Spanish newspaper, La Razon of Madrid, published an article in which a priest argued that the American CIA was attempting to use the world's media to influence the election precisely of Arinze, in order to avoid the election of a strong European Pope.

A priest sketched for me a scenario in which, with no Italian candidate (per Angelini) and no African (per Arinze) the choice would fall naturally on... Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. But, Ratzinger is opposed by a considerable, but minority, group of cardinals, this theorist said. These opponents will become so concerned that they may even foment protests and demonstrations, then, as an ultimate weapon, threaten... schism. "Ratzinger will be elected, but, fearing he will split the Church, he will step aside when the left threatens schism. The moment of the battle has not yet come. It will come after the reading of the Testament."

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For those who are curious about the odds being given for different candidates by betting agencies, consider this link: http://grand-national.bestbetting.com/specials/current-affairs/religion/who-will-be-the-next-pope

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This betting page gives the best odds to Milan's cardinal archbishop, Dionigi Tettamanzi, who is regarded as a conservative. But one of our colleagues has compiled this special report entitled "Two Italian Cardinals":

"Gentlemen: It has come to my attention that there are two Italian cardinals in the running to become our next Pope -- one excellent, the other exceedingly bad.

"First, the bad news:

"1.One of the men being heavily promoted to become our next pope is the notorious Dionigi Tettamanzi, the Cardinal-archbishop of Milan. This has caused great apprehension among orthodox Catholics concerned about the future of the Church. Tettamanzi is frequently described in the media as a 'conservative,' but in reality, from what I have been told, there is nothing conservative about him. He is -- I quote trusted sources -- a 'wolf-in-sheep's clothing,' a dangerous innovator, who, if given a chance, might make John XXIII and Paul VI look like Hard-Right Traditionalists -- I kid you not -- Tettamanzi's detractors believe he would usher in ANOTHER REVOLUTION were he to become pope.

"What is the evidence for this? Well, for starters -- and even the Encyclopedia Britannica might not be able to contain all of this man's antics, were it to chronicle them -- Tettamanzi is best known as the main contributor to a book of essays on 'Christian Anthropology and Homosexuality,' in Italian: Antropologia cristina e omossessualita -- now in its THIRD PRINTING. The essays caused a sensation when they first appeared, and have now been immortalized in a book -- popular among liberal psychologists and 'forward-thinking progressives' -- but Tettamanzi's book has flown beneath the radar screens of most Americans, and certainly the media. It is an overt attempt to 'understand' the homosexual ethos, from a 'new' Christian perspective -- the same perspective which has led to so much permissiveness in our seminaries and beyond.

"Tettamanzi has successfully fooled certain Catholics into believing he is a 'conservative' because he uses traditional, even pious language, even mentioning the influence of Satan, in a transparent effort to inoculate himself from any suspicion. He apparently even has the support of some in Opus Dei. Also, he has an innocent, roly-poly look which leads some to believe he is a jovial, harmless prelate, not at all looking to rock the boat. But if you get beyond the 'conservative' reputation, and his disarming appearance -- if you read him carefully, and you talk to people in the know, they will tell you that Tettamanzi, were he to become Pope, would be the worst disaster to befall the Church in many a century. In fact, one colleague admitted to me privately: 'If the new Pope walks out onto the papal balcony, and I see Dionigi Tettamanzi's smiling face, I think I'm going to collapse. I'll be curled up into a fetal position, and it will take several weeks for friends to rouse me. The Church, as we know it, will be over.'

"Over and above his sympathy toward the homosexual ethos is Tettamanzi's ambition, which is looked down upon in Rome. Indeed, if there is one thing which may prevent Tettamanzi from becoming Pope -- perhaps our best hope -- it is this unbridled ambition -- in today's Church, ambition is less forgivable than adopting a 'new' perspective on sexual immorality. Among the orthodox, a cry has gone out to the faithful Cardinals gathering for the Conclave: 'No to Tettamanzi!' and even 'Anybody but Tettamanzi!' (Well, almost anybody -- we wouldn't want anybody from the Netherlands, for example).

"2. In contrast to Tettamanzi, is my choice for Pope, a man I am praying and even predicting will be our next Pope -- a cardinal who has not gotten too much media attention but is a favorite among the orthodox, and very much in the mold of our best popes like Pius XII -- a pastor, a diplomat, and intellectual -- Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, now the prefect of the Congregation for Bishops.

"He is known to be quite faithful, severe when he needs to be, but also open to change and reform that would strengthen the faithful (he has been in the forefront of fighting the evils of homosexual priestly child abuse, unlike many other Church officials), and immensely compassionate, intelligent and aware of the Church's -- and the world's -- most serious problems.

"He is a man of peace and conciliation whose reach is not limited to Europe -- he has very close connections to the Third World -- but he is not naive about real dangers in our age of Terror, and has a very realistic appreciation of the contemporary world. He is not afraid to preach the Gospel and/or the truths of the Church to anyone, and has an excellent relationship with the world's bishops. Everything else I have been told about Cardinal Re, who attends confession frequently -- so sensitive he is to sin -- leads me to believe that 'he will be a magnificent Pope' -- as Pius XI said of Cardinal Pacelli, before the latter became Pius XII -- who would lead the Church into the twenty-first century, picking up and extending the great legacy of John Paul II, while also -- if I can say so respectfully -- clean up some of John Paul II's underreported messes.

"Here is a very telling comment, on Cardinal Tettamanzi, from Time magazine's cover story (April 11th) on the passing of John Paul II, and who is hustling to take his place: 'The former Archbishop of Genoa who has succeeded Martini (the very liberal Jesuit and one-time Great Hope of the liberals) in Milan. His [Tettamanzi's] philosophical approach is sufficiently unclear that neither the progressive Cardinals nor the doctrinaire are likely to oppose him.' A perfect -- and chilling -- description of Tettamanzi's elusive, deceptive, oh-so-seductive thinking: he is like the German philosopher Heidegger, or the impenetrable Immanual Kant: his philosophical novelties are like little time bombs; but they are so dense and incomprehensible that nobody understands them at first... but Tettamanzi's got that smile, and he reminds people of John XXIII, so people think he must be great. But wait: ecclesiastical in-fighting to the rescue: Time indicates that the liberal Cardinal Martini--whom the ambitious Tettamanzi replaced in a bitter transition -- is still upset with the way he was unceremoniously forced to retire, and Time indicates that Martini may enact revenge at the Conclave: 'Martini, the man who might have been Pope, could work to derail Tettamanzi's candidacy.'

"Yes, go Cardinal Martini! Martini is far too liberal to ever become Pope; but he can block Tettamanzi, so Cardinal Re can score a theological touchdown and become Pope.

"Note: the following article, on who may be the next Pope, from the Chicago Tribune, says the odds-on favorite is the 'conservative' Tettamanzi, but Cardinal Re is closing in on him as a rival -- of course, the Italians could cancel each other out, and we could usher in a Third World Pope; but if not, Re could emerge from the conclave as...Pope John Paul III.

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0504030438apr03,1,3559361.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true) (Editor: You must register with the Chicago Tribune to access this article.)

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Meanwhile, there are more encouraging signs for the East.

Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, who will attend Friday's funeral, issued this statement entitled "Upon the falling asleep in the Lord of Pope John Paul II."

His Holiness Pope John Paul II, having fulfilled the duty of life, which is common to all humans, has fallen asleep in the Lord. May God give rest to his soul in the place of the living, where there is no sorrow, grief nor mourning.

Pope John Paul II envisioned the restoration of the unity of the Christians and he worked for its realization. Thus, and in order to give the mark of his papacy, he visited the Ecumenical Patriarchate only a year after his election, and together with Patriarch Demetrios declared the formation of the Joint Committee for the inception of the Theological Dialogue between Orthodox and Roman Catholics. He did not hesitate before pains and sacrifices in order to bring the message of the Gospel to the entire world and to contribute to the establishment of peace. History will also recount his crucial contribution to the fall of atheistic communism. There are not many such brave men of vision, as the departed Pope. During his passage through the Hierarchy and especially through the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church, he drew deep his traces on her and on the history of all humanity, and he has left behind the indelible imprint of his strong personality. Many of his initiatives have been inception of developments, which still advance today. He was a pioneer in many issues. For this reason, his death is a loss not only to his Church, but to all of Christianity as well, and to the international community in general, who desires peace and justice.

We express our deep personal sorrow and on behalf of the Ecumenical Patriarchate for the resting of our beloved brother in Christ, and we share the mourning of the millions of our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters worldwide.

May his memory be eternal and may the Lord of life and death bring forth a most worthy successor, among the many personalities that adorn the hierarchy of the sister Church.

At the Patriarchate, 2 April 2005

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Likewise, Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk, a Russian Orthodox leader who plans to attend the funeral, sent his condolences "On the Demise of His Holiness John Paul II, the Pope of Rome." This is the text of his message:

On 3 April 2005, Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk and Kaliningrad, Chairman of the Department for External Church Relations of the Moscow Patriarchate, sent his condolences on the demise of His Holiness John Paul II, the Pope of Rome, to His Eminence Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals Vatican City

Your Eminence!

It is with profound grief that I express my condolences to you and the Plenitude of the Roman Catholic Church on the passing away in the Lord of His Holiness Pope John Paul II.

The many years of the ministry of His Holiness as Primate of the Roman Catholic Church were a most important stage in modern history. The judgements of the late Pope on many problems in the life of society and on the affirmation of the eternal Christian values in and the necessity to revive the moral role of Christians in the secularizing world have always found a favourable response in our Church.

The last days of John Paul II were marked by qualities, which have gained him respect of all people. He endured his sufferings with strong faith, thus making millions of people to admire his courage.

I sincerely hope that his memory will serve the cause of building up good relations between our Churches and will be the pledge for overcoming the present difficulties.

I pray to the Lord Jesus Christ for the repose of the soul of His Holiness Pope John Paul II.


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1 posted on 04/06/2005 9:46:11 PM PDT by narses
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To: GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; Cicero; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 04/06/2005 9:47:20 PM PDT by narses (St James the Moor-slayer, Pray for us! +)
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To: narses
He said he had heard from an Italian monsignor rather highly placed in the Vicariate of Rome that the Pope's testament, written on 16 pages, in Polish, beginning in 1979 (so, not just during his last illness), now translated into Italian, and which is due to be made public in a few hours, contains startling, almost incredible passages.

In the Name of all that is Good and Holy: Do. Not. Tell. Geraldo. About. JP2's. Testament.

3 posted on 04/06/2005 9:57:08 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: narses

It's me, It's me. How loudly do I have to scream it? The Great Quixotical is ready. Just give me a robe and that staff thingy and I'm ready to rock. (rock--get it?).

For those who think this is blasphemous, well...tough.


4 posted on 04/06/2005 9:57:09 PM PDT by Quixotical (Technology in the hands of idiots is just like pee in a swimming pool...)
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To: narses
An interesting article from an interesting source.

John Paul the Great pray for us that we may be delivered from a great and present danger.

5 posted on 04/06/2005 10:00:47 PM PDT by pbear8 (I love you JPII, pray for us)
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To: Quixotical

It ain't you, you're just not cute enough.


6 posted on 04/06/2005 10:01:56 PM PDT by pbear8 (I love you JPII, pray for us)
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To: pbear8

O come on, thats not what my momma said. She said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up (of course thats assuming I've grown up) :0


7 posted on 04/06/2005 10:06:37 PM PDT by Quixotical (Technology in the hands of idiots is just like pee in a swimming pool...)
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To: murphE; Gerard.P; nickcarraway
This same source said that the testament contains the name of a mystery cardinal "in pectore," but that, without the two written witnesses to confirm this name, the name will not be accepted.

Perhaps they didn't like the name they read?

8 posted on 04/06/2005 11:19:09 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (The See is vacant. Are we still Catholic without a Pope to whom we can be loyal?)
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To: narses; Siobhan; american colleen; sandyeggo; kstewskis; NYer; Phx_RC; Salvation; ...
Narses,thanks for the great read!!

To those of you I have pinged,I believe this is real important information/speculation.

Info about Testamanzi,if correct is damning and has really remained under the radar for the majority of good Catholics. Any Cardinal writing an essay or book about taking a new look at the homosexual through the modern Christian prism,or whatever,is clearly a real and pesent danger. Ugh!!

However my sense of Re has never been particularly positive. I believe that I learned from several sources that he was connected to a group that if not a "secret society",was certainly sympathetic to them.He has been involved with the Congregation of Bishops for quite some time and I would assume that much of the lack of discipline applied to the bishops who covered for their abusing priests could be laid at his doorstep,so to speak.

But then I started to factor in the fact that our newly installed Bishops seem to be so much more orthodox and Catholic than they had been so I took another look.

I found that he co-consecrated several Bishops in the U.S.,Bishops Burke,Slattery of Tulsa and Manseell(Buffalo and Hartford). I know Burke is great and I think Slattery is fine,anybody know anything about Mansell? He and Rigali also co-consecrated the installaton of Puljik?sp of the diocese that contains Medjegorgia. Actually,Re and Rigali co-concecrated quite a few Bishops around the world. So maybe he is just fine and has beenheld in check by Soldano.

I say all of this so that those of us who are on the Barque,remain steadfast and neither despair or presume but just keep praying unceasingly and speaking truth. God Bless.

9 posted on 04/07/2005 1:31:19 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: saradippity; narses
He said he had heard from an Italian monsignor rather highly placed in the Vicariate of Rome that the Pope's testament, written on 16 pages, in Polish, beginning in 1979 (so, not just during his last illness), now translated into Italian, and which is due to be made public in a few hours, contains startling, almost incredible passages.

Gee, what's in it? Does he out some of the cardinals and bishops who are involved with the anti-Catholic secret societies? More Fatima type prophecies? Warnings about the next pope?

10 posted on 04/07/2005 3:41:15 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: saradippity; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; NYer; sandyeggo
I just heard on FOX news that the last will and testament will be released later today. They said a cardinal (didn't say who it is) has been talking to the press about what's in the will. Among other things, JPII thought about resigning in 2000 and he leaves no material goods.

I'd be surprised that JPII would do more than suggest who would be a wise choice for pope or maybe he named some qualities that a pope should posess. On a side note, I happened to catch a little piece on the span of 'types' of cardinals -- the show used Cardinal Ratzinger on the one hand and Cardinal Mahony on the other one.

Well, all we can do is pray that the cardinals will be guided by the Holy Spirit, especially on April 18.

Did you guys know that you can watch a live camera showing the crowds at/in St. Peter's?

11 posted on 04/07/2005 5:50:38 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen; fatima; NYer; saradippity

Thanks for the post.

I am praying for an orthodox and sanely Catholic new Pope who will hold the line against the culture of death and defend civilization against the various totalitarian secular humanist cabals who would like to enslave all of us. If anyone knows any good Novenas, I would start making them.

12 posted on 04/07/2005 5:57:16 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
If anyone knows any good Novenas, I would start making them.

Good idea.

Maybe there is one to St. Michael the Archangel?

13 posted on 04/07/2005 6:05:34 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen

The old Leonine prayers perhaps. Good idea.

14 posted on 04/07/2005 6:37:32 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; american colleen
St. Jude!
15 posted on 04/07/2005 7:15:37 AM PDT by Siobhan († Theresa Marie Schindler, Martyr for the Gospel of Life, pray for us. †)
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To: Siobhan
Yeah, definitely the patron of lost causes.

Good call.

16 posted on 04/07/2005 7:16:47 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: narses
These opponents will become so concerned that they may even foment protests and demonstrations, then, as an ultimate weapon, threaten... schism. "Ratzinger will be elected, but, fearing he will split the Church, he will step aside when the left threatens schism. The moment of the battle has not yet come. It will come after the reading of the Testament."

I hope I'm not sinning here, but it seems to me those who want to preserve Tradition should not let the opportunity of a self-purge like this to pass.

Also, have a question for you. I'm of the understanding that a new Pope usually takes the name of the preceeding Pope as a gesture of the will for continuity. When Pope John XXIII died, why did his successor choose the name Paul? And, now that I think of it, why did Pope John XXIII choose that name instead of continuing with the Pius line?

17 posted on 04/07/2005 7:22:49 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: american colleen

Will the Divine Mercy work?


19 posted on 04/07/2005 8:09:01 AM PDT by Jaded (My sheeple, my sheeple....)
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To: narses
**That John Paul II, in his testament, names the man he believes would make a worthy successor for him, and, that the name mentioned is that of an Italian bishop. **

Gloria olivae

Prophecy of St Malachy (with list of Popes)

20 posted on 04/07/2005 8:21:44 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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