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To: ET(end tyranny)
First of all notice that delivered is in the PAST tense, meaning it already happened. I suspect they are speaking of the crucifixion.

It says, "delivered us from the wrath to come". You got the first part right in that the deliverance happened in the past, but are you saying the wrath to come is crucifixion?

JM
91 posted on 04/13/2005 12:14:54 PM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM

Actually, he didnt even get that right. Let's look at a few translations for 1 Thes. 1:10 ...

10: And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. (KJV, which is what ET posted)

10: and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead–Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath (NIV)

10: and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come. (NASB)

10: and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. (NJKV)

The participle here is not in the past tense "who delivered us" but rather a present tense ... "the one who delivers us" ... so ....... I fail to see how this is a reference to the crucifixion. The wrath to come is a future event ... and we are assured that Jesus is and will deliver us from that future wrath. What wrath is Paul talking about ... can only be one thing ... the wrath of God poured out during the tribulation period. So we have a passage that promises rescue from a future wrath. The word rapture is not there ... but the idea that we will be rescued from this coming wrath is clearly there ...


93 posted on 04/13/2005 1:28:26 PM PDT by dartuser (Many people think that questioning Darwinian evolution must be equivalent to espousing creationism.)
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To: JohnnyM
It says, "delivered us from the wrath to come". You got the first part right in that the deliverance happened in the past, but are you saying the wrath to come is crucifixion?

Nope. Just as Noah and his family were not removed from the planet and had to endure the flood, so too will we have to endure the wrath. We will be protected in the same manner as well. YHWH looks after his people. Looks at Lot, YHWH got him and out of harms way, his wife disobeyed and looked back and wasn't so fortunate.

I thought I covered that in my earlier post. I'll repeat it.

Psalm 91 (JPS)
5 Thou shalt not be afraid of the terror by night, nor of the arrow that flieth by day;
6 Of the pestilence that walketh in darkness, nor of the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
7 A thousand may fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; it shall not come nigh thee.
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold, and see the recompense of the wicked.
9 For thou hast made YHWH who is my refuge, even the Most High, thy habitation.
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy tent.
11 For He will give His angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

94 posted on 04/13/2005 3:28:08 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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