>>CONCLUSION: Pope John Paul II never put the genie of Vatican 2 back in the bottle. It is highly improbable that he believed it could or should be. But what devestated the church following Vatican 2 were terrible abuses done in the name of the "Spirit of Vatican 2." The Pope has stopped this slouching cold.<<
The Papacy of JPII has been a juxtaposition of contrasting realities. First one kind of thing then it's apparent opposite; one statement of commendable traditionalism and then a curious contradiction of tradition; an action of great positive appeal, then an action of great controversy. The examples are too numerous to mention. But to say that all the "slouching" terrible abuses have been "stopped cold" by JPII is frankly a bold-faced falshood.
Do we now have communion in the hand given at the Vatican? There were times, not long ago, when JPII's ardent defenders acclaimed loudly that it is "the people around the Pope who are committing this abuse and he would NEVER do it himself -- he ALWAYS gives communion on the tongue." They said this for years. And then JPII started to give it out in the hand, and the defenders went silent. Was that not "slouching?"
What about altar girls? Maybe that's an example of "slouching stopped cold?" No? Well, first it's altar girls, then it's deaconesses, then it's priestesses. Continued to it's logical end, it would be a woman Pope, and a mostly women college of cardinals. Still not "slouching?"
Assisi I and II: What about Assisi III, IV, and V? How many do we need before we have voodoo in the Mass? Cardinal Arinze thinks we should; great inclusiveness. Still not slouching? What do you need before you recognize the UNCLEAN SPIRIT of VatII for what it is? How long before including voodoo morphs into openly satanic? Would worship of satan be slouching enough for dangus to 'fess up? Or would that just be leaving the "genie of Vatican II out of the bottle too long?"
>>None of this can be appreciated by sedevacantists and so-called "traditionalists." All that matters to them is that the New Order liturgy (which they blaspemously call NO liturgy) is still in use.<<
The N____O___ liturgy will collapse all of it's own accord. It doesn't need any help. Besides, that's not "all that matters." What matters is doctrine, not liturgies, and the doctrine of the Faith is being destroyed.
>> What matters is doctrine, not liturgies, and the doctrine of the Faith is being destroyed. <<
Funny. You said almost nothign about doctrines, but instead focussed exclusively on liturgy.
>> What about altar girls? Maybe that's an example of "slouching stopped cold?" <<
The Vatican years ago prohibited altar girls. Read whatever motives you want into the ineffective enforcement of the policy, but the Vatican has even prohibited women's feet being washed.
>> Well, first it's altar girls, then it's deaconesses, then it's priestesses.<<
In 1978, most Catholics in America considered it a certainty we'd have women priests. And if the Vatican didn't approve it, the Vatican's authority would be so destroyed, we'd have women priests in just about every diocese in America. Most liberal Catholics seem now to have just a tiny, flickering "hope" that the Church will ever ordain women priests.
>> How many do we need before we have voodoo in the Mass? Cardinal Arinze thinks we should; great inclusiveness. <<
That is unadulterated nonsense, way, way waaaay beneath Free Republic.