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To: Grey Ghost II
The most blaring historical error is the lack of Greek in the Passion which was the Lingua Franca of the Eastern World.

The following scenes were not in the New Testament account and thus not accurate:

* In the garden of Gethsemane, while the female devil is tempting Jesus, he prays to the Father things such as, “Father defend me; save me from my attackers; shelter me from Satan.”

* The soldiers begin beating Jesus even in the garden of Gethsemane.

* As they are escorting Jesus after his arrest, the soldiers throw Jesus off of a bridge by massive chains; he falls onto the rocky ground below and is then brutally yanked back up again. (Gibson got this from the visions of Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich. “I saw our Lord fall twice before he reached the bridge, and these falls were caused entirely by the barbarous manner in which the soldiers dragged him; but when they were half over the bridge they gave full vent to their brutal inclinations, and struck Jesus with such violence that they threw him off the bridge into the water.”)

* Jesus confronts Judas after his arrest when he is hung off of the bridge. (Gibson got this from the visions of Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich.)

* Jesus is imprisoned in a room under the temple.

* Herod calls Jesus a fool and demands that he be given the homage of a fool. (Gibson got this from the visions of Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich. “But he spoke in the most contemptuous manner to Jesus, and turning to the guards and servants who surrounded him, and who were about two hundred in number, said: ‘Take away this fool, and pay him that homage which is his due; he is mad, rather than guilty of any crime.’”)

* The Roman soldiers call Jesus “King of worms” and “wormy king.”

* The soldiers hammer the crown down on Jesus’ head, but the Bible says nothing about this.

* Simon, who carries Jesus’ cross, at first is reluctant, expressing great disdain toward Jesus, but afterwards he has a change of heart and confronts the Romans in Jesus’ defense. (Gibson got this from the visions of Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich.)

* After Jesus’ first hand is nailed to the cross, his other arm is stretched out violently to reach the hole that had been drilled for the second nail. (Gibson got this from the visions of Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich. “When the executioners had nailed the right hand of our Lord, they perceived that his left hand did not reach the hole they had bored to receive the nail, therefore they tied ropes to his left arm, and having steadied their feet against the cross, pulled the left hand violently until it reached the place prepared for it. This dreadful process caused our Lord indescribable agony, his breast heaved, and his legs were quite contracted.”)

* After Jesus is nailed to the cross, it is raised, turned over and dropped face down. That would have killed him. Then they turn it over and drop it back down again. This would have likely broken the back of a healthy man, let alone one who had his back flailed with that cat.

* A crow pokes out the eye of the unrepentant thief on the cross. (Gibson got this from the visions of Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich.)

* The names of the thieves on the cross are said to be Gesmes and Dismas.

* Satan tempts Jesus in Gethsemane. The devil offers many temptations. In one of those the devil asks Jesus, “Do you really believe one man can carry this burden? ...saving their souls is too costly?” (Gibson got this from the visions of Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich.) According to the Bible, the only time that Jesus was tempted by the devil was at the beginning of his ministry.

* After Judas betrays Jesus, he goes out into the streets of Jerusalem. As he is sitting alone, two children come to ask him if he is okay. He tells them to go away. They start mocking him, and their faces turn into hideous demon-like faces. They start tormenting and biting him. One of them tears flesh from Judas’ hand with his teeth! They chase him out into the desert when he eventually hangs himself. Thus Judas is pursued to his death by demonic children! (This is from the visions of Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich. “I beheld the traitor, Judas Iscariot, wandering about, alone, and a prey to the tortures of his guilty conscience; he feared even his own shadow, and was followed by many devils, who endeavored to turn his feelings of remorse into black despair.”) * The whipping depicted in the movie is contrary to the Bible. In the movie Jesus is beaten two separate times with 39 lashes each, first on the back, and then on the front, and the soldiers continue to beat him as they walk to the cross. The Bible says only that he was scourged one time. (The visions of Catholic mystic Anne-Catherine Emmerich contain lengthy detailed descriptions of Jesus’ whippings; i.e., “Two fresh executioners took the places of the last mentioned, who were beginning to flag; their scourges were composed of small chains, or straps covered with iron hooks, which penetrated to the bone, and tore off large pieces of flesh at every blow. What word, alas! could describe this terrible--this heartrending scene! The cruelty of these barbarians was nevertheless not yet satiated; they untied Jesus, and again fastened him up with his back turned towards the pillar. ... The body of our Lord was perfectly torn to shreds.”)

* Jesus says, “Father forgive them for they know not what they do” before the cross is lifted up.

Had enough?

12 posted on 04/14/2005 8:59:05 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
You're a legend in your own mind.

"But there are also many other things which Jesus did which, if they were written every one, the world itself. I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." John 21:25

15 posted on 04/14/2005 9:43:24 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Destro
The most blaring historical error is the lack of Greek in the Passion which was the Lingua Franca of the Eastern World.

Pontius Pilot would not have given commands in Greek to his soldiers nor would the Jewish authorities have spoken Greek in the Lord's interrogation.

Would the Jews have conversed with the Romans in Greek? I'd be surprised. The events depicted lasted less that 24 hours.

20 posted on 04/15/2005 5:54:03 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Destro
Had enough?

Just because these accounts were not directly from the Gospel doesn't mean that the events didn't happen. How do you know Anne-Catherine Emerich's visions were not accurate?

41 posted on 04/15/2005 11:53:19 AM PDT by Judica me
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To: Destro

There is nothing in the NT about the Temple Guards taking part in the beating of Jesus. More anti-Semitism to add to all the rest.


53 posted on 04/15/2005 1:51:55 PM PDT by firebrand (Member of the proud brotherhood and sisterhood of copyeditors)
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To: Destro

OK, after the bit about Latin:

Do you know any of those points to be historical inaccuracies? The same could be said for any wording which was not contained in the scriptures. They are expressions of Mel's theology, and so his artistic lisence on details which are lost to history. They do not mean that his histories are bad; merely that they are "historical drama," rather than documentary.

As for the Latin, his use of it was based on his conclusion of conflicting historical data. I recognize you come to a different conclusion, but you must understand that his use of Latin did not come from ignorance of the fact that Greek was a Lingua Franca in the Eastern Mediterranean.


59 posted on 04/16/2005 9:08:55 AM PDT by dangus
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