Benedict election as Pope seen as "coup, by an all-male, patriarchal, clerical church"

SF Latin Mass ^ | April,2005 | sf latin mass

[Tantumergo]

"Mary E. Hunt 301-589-2509 240-472-4587 mhunt@hers.com"

Ah, the notorious prophetess Mary E. Hunt, former wife of Mike. World-renowned for standing on a table at a convention and shouting:

"If anyone wants to know what's wrong with the Church today, just look at Mike Hunt!!!"

[Dominick]

thats bad.....

Start with ten Our Mothers, and say three Glory Be to the asexual Parent, the husband of the Magdeline, and the Great Spirit of Indigeounus Peoples...

[starfish923]

They don't get it. They are too busy hating themselves. The saddest part is that they think that it's all about gender issues.

It's about the enormous holes in their souls. They think with those holes and how to fill them. The answer, of course, is at the foot of the Cross.

They are too self-centered, self-absorbed and full of self-hatred and arrogance to go to the Source of Life. The women's lib movement has sold them a bill of goods. It told them that their answers are in political movements.

I wonder how long it will be before they realize the futility of their search for soul-fillers in politics.

[ArrogantBustard]

As the enforcer of orthodoxy, he forbade the discussion of women-priests. We reject both the substance and the process of such teaching and assure concerned people of good will that such authoritarianism has no place in the Catholic community.

If these creatures had even a shred of intellectual honesty, they'd quit calling themselves "Catholic".

[ArrogantBustard]

We must get rid of the parent image of God and become autonomous. Reuther sounds the true note of revolution: "Patriarchal theology uses the parent image for God to prolong spiritual infantilism and to make autonomy and assertion of free will a sin."

IOW: "Non serviam"

[Romulus]

to make autonomy and assertion of free will a sin."

The Church should not let herself be drawn into this juridical paradigm. Even if that has been the practice in the past, it's more fruitful to look upon the rejection of radical autonomy not as a matter of compliance, but of coming into the Truth: that in radical autonomy there's no remedy for death. Primarily, radical autonomy isn't a procedural problem. It's an existential problem; namely, if we rely on ourselves without reference to Christ the Eternal Logos, we have no enduring meaning or rational existence.

[maryz]

The image of a Father God is a product of "the Judeo-Christian formulation of the normative image of transcendent ego in the male God image."

Oops! Typo here -- shouldn't that be "heteronormative"?

[Knitting A Conundrum]

We must get rid of the parent image of God and become autonomous. Reuther sounds the true note of revolution: "Patriarchal theology uses the parent image for God to prolong spiritual infantilism and to make autonomy and assertion of free will a sin."

Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the animals that the LORD God had made. The serpent asked the woman, "Did God really tell you not to eat from any of the trees in the garden?"

The woman answered the serpent: "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, 'You shall not eat it or even touch it, lest you die.'"

But the serpent said to the woman: "You certainly will not die! No, God knows well that the moment you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods who know what is good and what is bad."

The woman saw that the tree was good for food, pleasing to the eyes, and desirable for gaining wisdom. So she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. (Genesis 3:1-6)

Same old promise, same old death trap.

[Romulus]

so that all the children of the earth can sit together at the banquet of life.

Anyone who wants to know who truly puts a value on the feminine should remember that that banquet is a Wedding-Feast.

[ArrogantBustard]

It's an existential problem; namely, if we rely on ourselves without reference to Christ the Eternal Logos, we have no enduring meaning or rational existence.

Sounds like a rehash of Pelagianism. Modernism is indeed the uberheresy.

[maryz]

Its a call for paganism.

The most forthright statement of goals I've seen was in a thread Aristotle721 posted, written by a "youth minister" and on the bustedhalo.com website, I’m not leaving, I’m not going to be quiet. How's this for coming right out and saying it? --

I’m tired of not talking about important things- sexuality, power, who is allowed to do what and who gets to say so.

Sounds like what used to be called (in an "unenlightened" age), the World, the Flesh and the Devil!

[marshmallow]

Check out the forum on the "Open Conclave" web site.

From the number of threads and posts it would seem that this "forum" is generating about as much interest as a single FR religion thread on a slow day.

Don't dignify these people with attention and publicity.

It's obvious that this is another classic case of a small group of dissenters making a lot of noise.

[AlbionGirl]

When was the last period in Catholic history when the Church was peopled with a lot of real, hearty, take-no-prisoners men?

I think one of the biggest problems facing Catholicism is the lack of real men in its midst.

Women are the ones taking their kids to Mass, offering to teach religious instruction, convening this function or that function. That women are the general driving force of the laity is a big, big problem. If it continues apace, what we think we've achieved by the election of Pope Benedict XVI might be a fleeting victory.

Something has to be done to increase, appeal to and enflame the masculine laity.

[kstewskis]

They are too self-centered, self-absorbed and full of self-hatred and arrogance to go to the Source of Life.

Bears repeating.

[wideawake]

For the pain of such sluts I go rejoicing!

That's a Poundian turn of phrase.

[wideawake]

I agree. It drives me nuts when I go to Mass on summer vacation and I see that I am one of very few dads and husbands present, while plenty of moms, wives and kids are there.

[wideawake]

I agree. It drives me nuts when I go to Mass on summer vacation and I see that I am one of very few dads and husbands present, while plenty of moms, wives and kids are there.

[Gumdrop]

I think the real problem here is these gals hate men. They actually feel that they are inferior. My dad never made me feel inferior because I was his fifth daughter. He also had two sons. He treated us all alike and loved us unconditionally.

They need our prayers, but I doubt they would actually wish for them. They seem to be under the influence of pagan gods (UIPG).

[r9etb]

you can't make this stuff up

Hell, I couldn't even read it....

[mhx]

after filling "fifty percent of leadership roles with Catholic feminists" what should they fill the other 50% with?

Non-Catholic feminists, of course!