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Thunder Puppies (How to prevent kids from leaving church)
Credenda/Agenda ^ | Spring 2005 | Douglas Wilson

Posted on 04/29/2005 3:57:18 PM PDT by gobucks

It goes without saying, at least in this space, at least by now, that parents are required in Scripture to bring up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord (Eph. 6:4). But even though it goes without saying, I nevertheless feel this compulsion to work it in yet again (Phil. 3:1).

This means the first great task confronting parents today is to bring their children up within the covenant, and in such a way as their children feel a life-long loyalty to that covenant.

This task addresses the question of whether our children will be Christians after us, and whether they will bring up their children in the Christian faith. But once this question is settled, numerous temptations remain. Of course Christian parents should remember the possibility of failure. But wise parents will remember that temptations also come with success.

Some children unthinkingly accept everything they are taught. Such a child encounters an atheist for the first time, both of them being around eleven years old, and so he says something like, "I suppose you're an evolutionist too. Duh!" Kids like this have not been taught and discipled, but only successfully propagandized. One of the key marks of such victims of propaganda is their facile readiness to apply the tenets of the faith to others. Those who dispute its doctrines are considered to be simply stupid, those who reject its ethical teachings are the equivalent of cannibalistic axe-murderers, and so on.

Boys brought up in the truth are particularly prone to this. Truth is rigid and unyielding, and is almost as good as a baseball bat for hitting people with. I have seen this happen so frequently with Christian young men that I have decided to name the phenomenon—such should be called thunder puppies.

Jesus once rebuked His disciples because they wanted to declare celestial war, calling down fire from heaven, and yet did not know what spirit they were of. In the same way today, many young men preach beyond their wisdom, and pronounce beyond their years. Boys like to boast anyway, and knowledge puffs up. Brought together, the two propositions provide a dangerous mix.

For another example, how many young Christian men will go on and on about what they will require their (hypothetical) wife to do in this or that situation, and how they will homeschool, and what they will demand of anyone who dares interfere with their sacrosanct household? And compare this to how often they will spend time talking about what they will require of themselves. In short, young Turks are too ready to boast about nonexistent accomplishments.

But the only way a professing Christian can bring himself to boast is by using biblical standards to bring others down (which is easy), and then neglecting to apply them in one's own situation. Future accomplishments must be neglected, of necessity, and by the time the future rolls around, the boaster is accustomed to non-performance.

But to begin with others is not the biblical order. "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted" (Gal. 6:1).

When another person must be corrected, it is only to be undertaken by those who are spiritual, and they are to make sure of a meek and gentle spirit, watching over their own heart, lest they fall into sin as well. This is a hard task when someone has grown up perpetually disgusted with secular humanists who don't believe the Bible. The disgust often serves as a camo-cover which hides the fact that the young man in question doesn't believe the Bible either-at least not those portions which apply to him.

Of course the world is a sinful place, and we want our young men taught and equipped in such a way as enables them to rise up to battle when the situation calls for it. The Bible teaches us that the glory of young men is their strength. But the contrast is given to the beauty of the old man, which the wisdom of a gray head (Prov. 20:29). That wisdom sees that boasting is never profitable, unless it is in the Lord.

Handled wrongly, a Christian upbringing for a young man can provide many opportunities to show how those darn "other people" do not do what the Bible says.

"Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth. Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips" (Prov. 27:1-2).


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: children; covenant; parenting
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1 posted on 04/29/2005 3:57:18 PM PDT by gobucks
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In short, to prevent kids from leaving church, you, the parents, must teach in such a way that the rewards of covental living outweigh the benefits, perceived or otherwise, of ungodly actions...

Hard to do in this age ...


2 posted on 04/29/2005 3:59:12 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks

http://www.charityministries.org/tapeministry/index.cfm


3 posted on 04/29/2005 4:38:20 PM PDT by Hooday
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To: gobucks

http://www.charityministries.org/tapeministry/index.cfm


4 posted on 04/29/2005 4:39:30 PM PDT by Hooday
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To: gobucks
I've heard the stat that "85% of evangelical youth lose their faith in college", and "88% of kids raised in evangelical churches, leave the faith forever when they turn 18.". It can't be much different for Catholics based on what I've seen. Sad. Perhaps this is the great falling-away that precedes the AntiChrist?
5 posted on 04/29/2005 4:42:52 PM PDT by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us...)
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To: Rytwyng

I've seen the same stats, but I wonder... they could be a bit higher than actual.

But I am also guessing that they are not that much lower..

Sad indeed.


6 posted on 04/29/2005 5:14:13 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: Grannyx4; LongElegantLegs

Good article. Sound familiar?


7 posted on 04/29/2005 5:19:54 PM PDT by TapTap (</Judicial Tyranny>)
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To: Calm_Cool_and_Elected; visually_augmented

ping!


8 posted on 04/29/2005 5:58:52 PM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (Be nice, I'm new here)
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To: gobucks
Apropos this, something I stumbled across this week: Why Bother Catechising Our Children?

A couple choice quotes from the article:

"Let me tell you a true story about a Presbyterian pastor who asked a priest why so many lapsed Catholics come back to the church when they are older. The Catholic priest's answer was immediate. "We catechize our little children and it is part of them. Therefore, when they are seeking again the answers to life, their memorized catechism questions come back to them, and they return again to the source of that learning."

and

"Recently, a lady from a PCA church on the Georgia coast was very interested in starting a catechism program for her church. We set up a seminar and during that event, I found out firsthand why she thought it was so vital. I'll close with her testimony of God's grace in her life using the means of the catechism.

" ' "When I was a young girl we went to a Presbyterian church where there was an active catechism program. I managed to memorize the shorter catechism by age eight through the hard work of many teachers there. When I was eight, my mother and father divorced, and I lived with my mother. We began attending one type of church after another as my mother took a journey searching for an elusive truth of who God was. We went through a smorgasbord of beliefs from Mormonism to Jehovah’s Witnesses, to liberal churches to Pentecostal denominations. What sustained me time and again were the answers that I learned as a child in the catechism. I knew there was a God that did not have a body but was a spirit, who existed in three persons same in substance equal in power and glory, that God had spoken the complete truth in His word, the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, and on and on, soundly refuting the error that was trying to be placed upon her at each turn. When I was a teenager, my mother relented and allowed me to go back into a Bible believing Presbyterian Church where I took up where I left off.' "


9 posted on 04/29/2005 6:14:22 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: Rytwyng

As a Catholic, I think I see this on a practical level as being true: youth lose faith in college.

Perhaps this is why St. Benedict, when faced with a declining, hedonist Rome, rather than fight it, left to pray and live a solitary life. Ultimately, others joined him and the Benedictine order was sprung. From it came the Rule of Benedict and it is true and an historical fact that from this order he and his singleminded mission, singlehandedly, converted Europe.

Our children are of this world. How do we retreat?
V's wife.


10 posted on 04/29/2005 6:18:03 PM PDT by ventana
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To: gobucks

bttt


11 posted on 04/29/2005 6:40:12 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Se habla, MoFo!")
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To: gobucks

After a certain age, kids acquire reason. Then they apply their reason to the religious claims they've heard and...


12 posted on 04/29/2005 7:04:28 PM PDT by SausageDog
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To: gobucks

Ping for later read.


14 posted on 04/29/2005 8:40:19 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: Lee N. Field

What a post ... many thanks...


15 posted on 04/30/2005 4:02:51 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: ventana
As a Catholic, I think I see this on a practical level as being true: youth lose faith in college.

I BECAME religious in college, but I was a bit of a rebel.

Perhaps this is why St. Benedict, when faced with a declining, hedonist Rome, rather than fight it, left to pray and live a solitary life... How do we retreat?

"Saint Benedict, patron of Survivalists?" Hmm....

16 posted on 04/30/2005 7:13:30 AM PDT by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us...)
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To: SausageDog
After a certain age, kids acquire reason.

What age would that be? A lot of adults don't seem to be able to reason.

17 posted on 04/30/2005 8:38:30 AM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: gobucks

It helps to live out on monday what one claims to believe on sunday.


18 posted on 04/30/2005 1:00:00 PM PDT by buckeyesrule (God bless Condi Rice!)
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To: Rytwyng
Perhaps this is the great falling-away that precedes the AntiChrist?

More likely, it is the testing to see who was truly converted, and who went to church because Mom and Dad wanted them to. When one finds himself away at college, it is easy, for the first time, to make that choice - "Do I really believe this, when my Evolutionary Biology professor belittles the very underpinning of my faith?" "Do I really believe this, when it's damned inconvenient to have to subscribe to a moral code when all my friends party?"

I think college is where we find out who is really Christian, and who was just play-acting.

19 posted on 04/30/2005 2:12:53 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: jude24; Rytwyng

Don't forget that there's traffic in the opposite direction, too, especially as those college hedonists age a bit. Marriage and especially children involve graces that do amazing things in bringing people back.


20 posted on 04/30/2005 3:33:17 PM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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